2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

[Blackbeard]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

sorry, I cannot find the original video, but there is this: https://twitter.com/cjzer0/status/1117540558099111939

Thanks Poker. You've solved the adventure of the disappearing puck. Your overhead video shows that Rigsby would not have been able to grab the puck even if there had been no collision because it was just outside of her stab attempt with her glove and in was continuing to move away from her. Not that that proves anything with respect to the decision but it fills in a knowledge gap or two.

And how about that end to end Bobby Orr style rush from Hiirikoski...wasn't that a thing of beauty?

It appears that the majority of people here are of the opinion that Finland won but come on guys you're better than that...she deserves better than that.

Her name is Hiirikoski...Jenni Hiirikoski...and she is one of the best womens hockey players on the planet. (OK, I admit I missed an "i" earlier on).

And how much greater is Team Finland's gargantuan effort and accomplishment vs Team USA when you consider that they had just come off an equally draining game the day before vs Team Canada?

We've just witnessed some womens hockey history which will be hard to top for emotional impact. How often will Team Finland's players (and untold numbers of others throughout their country) tell and retell this story to their kids and their grandkids in the decades to come?...who will then retell it again.

Amazing game (two back to back actually) and an amazing story. They have my respect.

Watching what they just accomplished is why we watch the game.

[pokechecker]

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Oh come on. You've forgotten that you ever even had a gourd.

I'm not saying that Finland got robbed as clearly as Auburn did. People can come up with some courtroom explanation for why the USA should win. That's the world we live in. But people like Tim, robertearle, D2D, and I am biased for the USA; that's the team that had more of the players we've cheered over the years. The fact that we all think that Finland won, and we don't agree on all that much, should tell you something.

Blackbeard wants the USA to give away the gold medal; I think that would be even more of an insult at this point. Once the ref waved the goal off, I'm not sure that any result was ever going to be as poetic as the moment deserved.

The shootout did offer some intrigue. Noora was able to stop Knight, someone she has gone head-to-head versus many times, but her match up with Kessel for those stakes was more interesting, given how many times they must have gone against each other in practice while teammates for three seasons. Noora didn't give her much, but Kessel knew that five-hole would have to open and she'd have to execute with a small margin for error. It's easier for someone like Pankowski who is less familiar and has moves that the goalie has never seen before from her. When a goalie gets to see the same shooter over and over, it is harder to surprise her.

That was a good explanation of what probably happened, with the replay can't overturn the penalty and all that. Maybe that is the "right" call. I don't know. But in my heart, it feels wrong. The US had five players on the ice. Knight had skated too long a shift in OT, got caught 200 ft from her own net, and only wanted to get off the ice. Who was the other forward? Coyne? She made a risky pinch knowing the first forward was already out of the play, and she got beat. Finland #6 is coming in one on two, and I love Bozek, but she went around her like she was a pylon. Bellamy offered little resistance, Rigsby wasn't able to control the rebound, fumbled it away, and lost her positioning in the net. If a team can't defend against a single opponent any better than that, maybe it deserves to lose?

Anyway, it was like when an adult is at an MLB baseball game and he catches a foul ball. Maybe Mike Trout hit it and the guy really admires Trout, but he hands the ball to some six-year-old kid, because he knows that kid will always remember getting that foul ball. I'm sure the American players liked winning the medal, but at the end of their careers, it isn't going to be a top five hockey memory for Knight, Decker, Kessel, or Stecklein. For the Finnish players, winning that medal in front of their fans would have been the top hockey memory, and it wouldn't even have been close. I'm just sad for the world that the story ended the way that it did. Everyone was left wishing for better.

you lost all your credibility with your rational for the 2019 USCHO POY, two paragraphs of saying how great she was the PREVIOUS year, and then wrapping it up by saying nobody else scored on Campbell, so the fact that she didn't score when it really mattered doesn't disqualify her from being the POY.

sorry, you made a great argument for Campbell being the player of the year, but like your argument here, it's a fail

Just because the Finnish player skated around the US like they were statues doesn't count for anything (except to say maybe their best days are behind them) the point in hockey is to put the puck in the net while obeying the rules.

And despite Blackbird's obviously Canadian sour grapes opinion, the Finn didn't even contact the puck, she prevented Rigsby from playing the puck which is why the goal was over-turned.

In my mind the gold medal is no less, or more, tainted than the Olympic one, a FN SO for crissakes should never determine who wins in the championship game.

Look on the brite side, normally here in the US nobody cares about the IIHF, this years has gotten more press than all the previous 4 gold medal wins by the US combined. As they say, any pub is good pub.

[sacole13]

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I suggest that you consult a dictionary.

what does hockey have to do with algorithms to predict gambling out comes. Just because your word has a definition does not mean it was used correctly.

[Puckdrop14]

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Is that your out come?

[mattj711]

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what does hockey have to do with algorithms to predict gambling out comes. Just because your word has a definition does not mean it was used correctly.

prov·a·bly
/ˈpro͞ovəblē/
adverb
in a way that is capable of being proved.
"provably false claims"

[bluffrinkrat]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

An explanation, sort of. And Julie Chu brings some logic to the issue.

https://www.winchesterstar.com/assoc...c83235698.html

[sacole13]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

prov·a·bly
/ˈpro͞ovəblē/
adverb
in a way that is capable of being proved.
"provably false claims"

In online gambling provably fair describes an algorithm which can be analyzed and verified for fairness on the part of the service operator. Provably fair algorithms are often used in the operation of an online casino. In a provably fair gambling system, a player places bets on games offered by the service operator


Your not the only person who can use Google

[sacole13]

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The IIHF, which had a video judge review every goal during the tournament, cited two rules in saying the goal by Petra Nieminen at 11:33 of overtime was disallowed due to non-incidental goaltender interference.

One states: "An attacking skater who makes contact other than incidental with a goaltender who is out of his goal crease during game action will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. If a goal is scored at this time, it will not count." The other states: "Incidental contact is allowed when the goaltender is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease, provided the attacking skater makes a reasonable effort to minimize or avoid such contact."

[robertearle]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

The IIHF, which had a video judge review every goal during the tournament, cited two rules in saying the goal by Petra Nieminen at 11:33 of overtime was disallowed due to non-incidental goaltender interference.

One states: "An attacking skater who makes contact other than incidental with a goaltender who is out of his goal crease during game action will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. If a goal is scored at this time, it will not count." The other states: "Incidental contact is allowed when the goaltender is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease, provided the attacking skater makes a reasonable effort to minimize or avoid such contact."

And seeing as how no "... minor penalty for interference..." was assessed to the "attacking skater", that first rules must not apply here. And therefore...

[BackyardIce]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

An explanation, sort of. And Julie Chu brings some logic to the issue.

https://www.winchesterstar.com/assoc...c83235698.html

I like how the Finnish Coach stated that male referees are needed. I think he is 100% spot on. He added that he welcomes all female referees that are mature enough and competent enough, but there are so few in the world. The U18 Women's World Championship game was not without it's own "dubious" penalty call in OT that resulted in a PP for Team Canada and led to the game winner. The referees for these games should be the best available, not the best females available.

[TonyTheTiger20]

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This thread is an impressive microcosm of how much of a shtshow the actual game was

[vicb]

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This thread is an impressive microcosm of how much of a shtshow the actual game was

+1,000,000

[sacole13]

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And seeing as how no "... minor penalty for interference..." was assessed to the "attacking skater", that first rules must not apply here. And therefore...

and no one is saying the ref crew did not screw up with regards to the tripping call..............................

[Blackbeard]

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And despite Blackbird's obviously Canadian sour grapes opinion

Huh? How did you make that leap?

[Blackbeard]

Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

In online gambling provably fair describes an algorithm which can be analyzed and verified for fairness on the part of the service operator. Provably fair algorithms are often used in the operation of an online casino. In a provably fair gambling system, a player places bets on games offered by the service operator


Your not the only person who can use Google

Since you are interested in the proper use of words, which I agree is important, I would point out that the word is "you're".

And I love the lack of a period at the end of your last two sentences. It's so...nouveau.