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  • Originally posted by Rover View Post
    Umm..Kep, your Clinton obsession aside, this is exactly what happened in 2010 and 2014. If you want all the socialist goodies you pine for, that means Dems showing up for every election, not taking the mid-terms off. A lot of good Dems went down in those years in the Senate, seats that we really could have used right now.

    I'm getting the feeling that at some point in the past you put the moves on Hillary at one of those Beltway Cocktail parties that you attend as a guest of Mrs. Kepler, and she blew you off! Maybe you tried your luck right after the Lewinsky scandal?
    Rover

    The problem in the timeframe you mention was your party's management's obsession on national elections and virtually ignored the statehouses.

    You lost your farm system where whack jobs get weeded out before getting to Broadway. Fortunately for the Ds, DWS has been sent to play on the diner theater circuit and the pros are now in charge. You're building your bench back up.
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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

      This seems appropriate here

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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        Rover

        The problem in the timeframe you mention was your party's management's obsession on national elections and virtually ignored the statehouses.

        You lost your farm system where whack jobs get weeded out before getting to Broadway. Fortunately for the Ds, DWS has been sent to play on the diner theater circuit and the pros are now in charge. You're building your bench back up.
        While I appreciate the sentiment here, it's not quite that dire. 538 did an analysis which suggested that the loss of down ballot offices during Obama was fairly typically for an incumbent president's party. It was bad... but it has ordinarily been pretty bad.

        Now, they suggested that while it was in line with historical variation, we have also been moving towards a much more locked electorate with far less volatility in seat switching. So having the same losses but in a much "safer" (read: rigged) environment can be interpreted as a worse than average showing.

        Right now we're actually testing the hypothesis. The severe gerrymandering still exists so on the back swing if Dem gains rival those of the GOP during that period that will support the contention that Obama's losses were actually no big deal. If it tends to protect the GOP (as it did in a big way with the House in 2018, where gerrymandering actually protected them from a further 20+ seat loss, and that's not even counting Republican voter suppression and of course outright right wing fraudulent vote miscounting like NC's) then the hypothesis that the Obama losses were worse is supported.

        It's hard to know because the natural swing between parties is being fouled by systemic GOP cheating and in some places actual criminality, and of course Russian meddling. The first step in restoring actual democracy is to obliterate that, but to do so we need the very seats that cheating is stealing for the GOP to protect themselves. The criminals are running the court system so it's hard to get a conviction. It's the equivalent of the Barr Injustice Department.
        Last edited by Kepler; 08-02-2019, 11:05 AM.
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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Makes sense. Yang has the perfect solution for a Silicon Valley left-ish tech bro.

          I have to admit it's very attractive to me.

          Gotta do better than FALGSC.

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            Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
            This seems appropriate here

            Never happens here either.
            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

              https://electoralvotemap.com/

              Basically, the Dems need PA, Michigan, and either Wisconsin or North Carolina. They should also campaign hard in Iowa, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Arizona.

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                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                Gotta do better than FALGSC.
                Don't worry. It's just a liminal state.

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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                  Kentucky Democratic Party is selling Moscow Mitch merchandise and it's breaking sales records for them. Stuff is selling like hotcakes.
                  **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Kentucky Democratic Party is selling Moscow Mitch merchandise and it's breaking sales records for them. Stuff is selling like hotcakes.
                    This one makes me smile.

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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                      This one makes me smile.
                      No way, this is better!
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                      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                        Originally posted by Rover View Post
                        So I keep coming back to basic math. About the most optimistic forecast for Dems in the Senate would be maybe 53 votes, and that's if they take ME, CO, AZ, IA, NC, some other upset (GA?) and then also retain AL. Whoever the Dems have as Prez will have to deal with that reality when trying to pass legislation.
                        Right.. and even that would be a major stretch goal. More realistically it will end up something like 51/49, 50/50, or 49/51.... and not totally unimaginable (but pretty unlikely) that Dems lose all of those including AL.

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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          These are getting good.

                          The problem for the GOP is when they started campaigning like barbarians they didn't factor in that all the creative and smart people are liberals.
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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                            It is certainly a nice "back at'cha" on the "Hillary for Prison 2016" campaign that was popular among Trumpsters.

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                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              These are getting good.

                              The problem for the GOP is when they started campaigning like barbarians they didn't factor in that all the creative and smart people are liberals.
                              Its like the joke Robin Williams used to tell:

                              I was once on a German talk show, and this woman said to me, 'Mr. Williams, why do you think there is not so much comedy in Germany?' And I said, 'Did you ever think you killed all the funny people?'
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

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                                Is it Bolshoi Bernie in honor of his Russian topless dinner party?
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