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  • #16
    Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

    Ok you found a school who does it because of some religious aspect involving people doing mormon missions. I think you understood the point.

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    • #17
      Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

      Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
      College baseball has one where you can't leave till after your junior year...
      But college baseball doesn't have to contend with a functional equivalent of Canadian Major Junior. That being said, the NHL could do something similar to what MLB does if it wanted to instead of taking the easy way out by robbing the cradle.

      Originally posted by eaglekeeper View Post
      ...Give the college game back to the college age kids...
      Amen.
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      • #18
        Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

        This change is an improvement.

        On the other end three years of juniors after graduation is ridiculous. The fact each team can only have a handful of overagers means it should be easy to eliminate. Make it so at any given time we are getting commitments from a four year group of players. Junior in HS through grad +2

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        • #19
          Originally posted by eaglekeeper View Post
          This is a very good rule change. It’s a good start to much needed reforms in college hockey.

          It’s pathetic that D3 schools are taking 21 year old freshman. The kids are just being used and abused in the name of parity. MLB has it right, either sign out of high school or we will see how you develop the next 3 years in college. None of these kids want to play junior hockey for more than a year. They all want to get to college ASAP. Give the college game back to the college age kids. It’s better for a less talented kid to graduate at age 21 and then develop in the minor leagues.
          21 year old frosh at D1 and D3 is a combination of two factors - one is the NCAA and the other is the Canadian and US junior system that permits you to play thru age 20. Many kids are living the D1 dream until the D1s stop (or never did) knocking and then they scramble to find a D3 program.

          40 years ago, the US frosh were 18 (19 if they went to prep school) and Canadians were 19 (Grade 13). I believe the 21 year old loophole was always there, but nobody took advantage of it until the early 90s.

          And then there is the ACHA which, at the higher levels, has made great strides on upgrading their product.
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          • #20
            Its the junior league age rules, not the NCAA that are causing the older players in college. You're perfectly allowed to start college at 20 as a normal student, why would you be restricted from using your 4 year eligibility in sports?

            This isn't a "different rule" in hockey. I know WMU has had players as old as 30 on its football team. An exception, yes, but I fail to see what the NCAA is supposed to do about it or why they should.

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            • #21
              Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

              Originally posted by J.D. View Post
              Ok you found a school who does it because of some religious aspect involving people doing mormon missions. I think you understood the point.
              Yep and I think the point is total BS.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by islander98 View Post
                Top liners who think they have a good shot at pro hockey often follow the CHL path from the outset. A few top liners will go the NCAA route. However, most of the bottom 6 forwards or bottom 4 D will go to the CHL if they are not academically focused. Those with decent grades that are not top liners generally see the NCAA path as more practical for many reasons. Many of the kids in the W would have a difficult time getting into many of the NCAA schools. But there are some good hockey players that are good students playing CHL. They know that they can play university hockey in Canada if it doesn't work out. Lots of Canadian kids would rather go to a Canadian university. And CIS hockey is probably better hockey than many of the NCAA programs. CIS is full of aged out ex guys from the W and the O and the QM. It is good strong hockey.
                UAA regularly beats CIS teams with relative ease and UAA is not exactly the cream of the NCAA crop.

                Removing 21 yo freshmen is basically telling the smaller schools that they’re not allowed to compete.
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                • #23
                  Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

                  I don't understand what the problem is. I'm not trying to be a PITA, but I genuinely don't see why having a six-year age range between the younger an older players as opposed to a 4-year age range is a big deal.

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                  • #24
                    Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

                    Originally posted by duper View Post
                    I don't understand what the problem is. I'm not trying to be a PITA, but I genuinely don't see why having a six-year age range between the younger an older players as opposed to a 4-year age range is a big deal.
                    25 year olds against 18 and sometimes 17 years olds. Do you know anyone those two ages? They seem the same to you? lol

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                    • #25
                      Re: NCAA Rule Changes to Slow Recruiting

                      Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
                      25 year olds against 18 and sometimes 17 years olds. Do you know anyone those two ages? They seem the same to you? lol
                      No they don't. Neither do 18-year-olds and 22-year-olds.

                      But my question was about why it's a problem for them to be on the ice at the same time. There is always inherently going to be a 5 year (or so) age span. Why is 6 or 7 such a problem? I really genuinely don't understand, and while pithy, snotty responses to questions are fun and all, I really am curious as to what people's problem with it is.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                        Yep and I think the point is total BS.
                        I'm guessing whatever team you root for is loaded with older players

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                          Removing 21 yo freshmen is basically telling the smaller schools that they’re not allowed to compete.
                          I don't get this. How do smaller schools in other sports compete with normal aged freshmen?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                            I don't get this. How do smaller schools in other sports compete with normal aged freshmen?
                            Most smaller schools aren't competitive against the larger schools (major sports). You also have to consider the total number of athletes in those sports that are available.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by duper View Post
                              No they don't. Neither do 18-year-olds and 22-year-olds.

                              But my question was about why it's a problem for them to be on the ice at the same time. There is always inherently going to be a 5 year (or so) age span. Why is 6 or 7 such a problem? I really genuinely don't understand, and while pithy, snotty responses to questions are fun and all, I really am curious as to what people's problem with it is.
                              They root for teams who recruit younger players. It's not that they actually care, it's that they want an artificial advantage.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by broncoinak View Post
                                They root for teams who recruit younger players. It's not that they actually care, it's that they want an artificial advantage.
                                Ha, any program can recruit normal aged college kids. And this is something I do care about. It's not the end of the world because my team was able to dominate for a long time often as youngest team in the country. But I still didn't like it then. Just using Minnesota State as an example, they didn't have a single player under 21 when they played Providence. I find that absurd.

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