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    Alright DIII Fans... time to wake up! It's that time of the year, and with much verbiage copied from last year's thread... here we go again! Labor Day has passed, and that can only mean one thing... time to break-out:


    The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls Thread!

    You know the drill, or at least you should by now. It’s simple, just rank the pre-season top-10 (yes, 10!), and you will be scored on how well you picked 'em, in a method that is (as always) completely void of any statistical merit! No prizes awarded, other than pride. (Yes, I still owe some of you beverages!)

    Like prior years, the scores will be tallied once the offical USCHO poll comes-out, which is typically mid-October. Then, I’ll go through the same scoring exercise mid-season and at the end of the year as well.

    So without further delay...
    The Method to the Madness
    What is required of you is simple, just post your top 10 (again - yes, 10... I am 'old school'! You can do 15 if you wish, but only the top 10 will be used for scoring purposes), and the scoring is performed as follows:


    Points For Your Pick
    Your pick positions are assigned a point value, called "Points for Your Pick" (PFYP).
    First Place Pick - 10pts
    Second Place Pick - 9pts
    Third Place Pick - 8pts
    ...
    Tenth Place Pick - 1pt

    Position Points
    Once the Official USCHO Pre-Season Poll is announced, "Position Points" (PP) are calculated for each of your picks based upon the Official Poll Points (OPPts) the respective team received in the Official Poll. Each of your picks that appear in the Official Pre-Season Poll will receive Position Points according to the following:

    (Points For Your Pick / 10) * Official Poll Points

    And these will be added together to obtain a Position Points Total (PPT).

    Accuracy Factor
    How well did you position your picks will also come into play, by determining an Accuracy Factory (AF). This is calculated for each of your picks by taking Your Pick Position (YPP) [1-10], and weighing it against the Official USCHO Pre-Season Poll Position (OPPos).

    The value for OPPos is between 1 and the maximum number of positions in the poll. If a team in your picks fails to make the Official Poll (at any position), it is assigned a default OPPos of 33. The formula for calculating the Accuracy Factor for each of your picks is:

    (1 / (1 + ABS(YPP - OPPos))) * 10

    Your Total Score
    Your Total Score takes into account the Sum of your Accuracy Factors (AFT), and your Total Position Points (PPT) as follows:

    (AFT / 100) * PPT

    "It's just that simple".

    A Few "Rules" (for lack of a better term):
    Ties, in either posted listings or the Official USCHO Polls, will be handled by assigning the respective positions based upon their as-listed positions in the post/Poll. The tied team listed on the "higher-side" of the post/Poll will have the higher ranking.

    In the event of multiple posts (entries), the first chronological post will be used in scoring, and the subsequent post, well... ignored.


    So start ranking the teams, post your "top-tens", and I'll crank-out the results once the Official USCHO Pre-Season Poll is announced (mid-season and end-of-season too). Good luck, and Happy Pickin'!

    Cheers!!!
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    ......actually this might be closer to what it'll look like at the end of the season.

    SNC
    Norwich
    Adrian.........we'll be back
    Oswego
    Elmira
    Plattsburgh
    Castleton
    Wisc-Superior
    Manhattanville
    Geneseo

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLite View Post
    ......actually this might be closer to what it'll look like at the end of the season.

    SNC
    Norwich
    Adrian.........we'll be back
    Oswego
    Elmira
    Plattsburgh
    Castleton
    Wisc-Superior
    Manhattanville
    Geneseo
    Good group for sure.......Utica???...could be the sleeper

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    Not that it totally matters, but I went through and found out just the Seniors loss and Senior Points loss from the teams mentioned. We still have some transfers, incoming freshman that will contribute, but as you can see some teams will be taking a pretty big hit both point wise and spot wise. On the flip side, look at the ECAC West teams. Only losing 2%, 3%, and 11% of their teams points.
















    # TEAM RECORD SR. LOST KEY NAMES SR PTS OV PTS % PTS LOST KEY RETURNING PLAYERS NOTES
    1 St. Norbert 25-4-1 11 O'Brien, Tabisz, Pulak 103 277 37% Keefer, Ryd, Soley Top 4 Scorers Return
    2 Adrian 25-4-1 17 Skelly, Miller, Fogal 291 405 72% Graham, Watts Only 3 of Top 10 Return
    3 Norwich 22-6-3 2 Anderson, Eskedjian 60 339 18% Schroeder, Cotnoir Top 3 Scorers Return
    4 Oswego 23-5-0 7 Fox, Huinink, Mallaro 93 308 30% Boots, Whitelaw, Beckwith 5 of Top 6 Return
    5 Plattsburgh 20-8-1 5 Satim, Clarke Corry 107 296 36% Jensen, Craig, Leis Loss 15 Off Of 2011 Roster (41% of Points)
    6 Elmira 17-7-4 4 Linden, Schrank 29 271 11% Willer, Vaillancourt, McDonald Top 3 Scoreres will be Seniors
    7 Bowdoin 19-8-1 6 Shearer-Hardy, Fanning 109 311 35% Weiniger, Downey, Lalor Only 3 Regular Sr's
    8 Hamline 17-7-5 9 Berenguer, Kupperman 145 259 56% Arrigoni, VanGlider 5 of Top 7 Are gone
    9 Castleton 22-4-1 2 Stefan, Lafrance 49 340 14% Harris, Alonzo, Cinotti 1 Sr in top 20
    10 Neumann 14-9-5 2 Bianchini, Rodell 7 221 3% Rey, Lacasse, MacKinnon 1 Sr in top 20 (14)
    11 Wisconsin-Superior 16-13-1 4 Berlando, Isley 47 224 21% Faryna, Dalbec, Forsythe 4 of Top 5 Returning Will be SO
    12 Geneseo 16-8-2 6 Rygiel, Elliott 26 263 10% Vit, Redlick, Gershon Top 8 Return
    13 Williams 16-8-3 7 Contini, Masucci, Olvany 113 250 45% Rubino, Wickman, Purdy 3 of top 4 Are Gone
    14 Milwaukee School of 21-6-1 4 Soik, Humphries 32 286 11% Keizer, Krupa, Toomey 1 Sr In Top 10 (4)
    15 Utica 17-8-1 2 Timkey 5 261 2% Coffman, Chlanda, Smith Seniors Played In 27 games Combined

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    Not that it totally matters, but I went through and found out just the Seniors loss and Senior Points loss from the teams mentioned. We still have some transfers, incoming freshman that will contribute, but as you can see some teams will be taking a pretty big hit both point wise and spot wise. On the flip side, look at the ECAC West teams. Only losing 2%, 3%, and 11% of their teams points.
















    # TEAM RECORD SR. LOST KEY NAMES SR PTS OV PTS % PTS LOST KEY RETURNING PLAYERS NOTES
    1 St. Norbert 25-4-1 11 O'Brien, Tabisz, Pulak 103 277 37% Keefer, Ryd, Soley Top 4 Scorers Return
    2 Adrian 25-4-1 17 Skelly, Miller, Fogal 291 405 72% Graham, Watts Only 3 of Top 10 Return
    3 Norwich 22-6-3 2 Anderson, Eskedjian 60 339 18% Schroeder, Cotnoir Top 3 Scorers Return
    4 Oswego 23-5-0 7 Fox, Huinink, Mallaro 93 308 30% Boots, Whitelaw, Beckwith 5 of Top 6 Return
    5 Plattsburgh 20-8-1 5 Satim, Clarke Corry 107 296 36% Jensen, Craig, Leis Loss 15 Off Of 2011 Roster (41% of Points)
    6 Elmira 17-7-4 4 Linden, Schrank 29 271 11% Willer, Vaillancourt, McDonald Top 3 Scoreres will be Seniors
    7 Bowdoin 19-8-1 6 Shearer-Hardy, Fanning 109 311 35% Weiniger, Downey, Lalor Only 3 Regular Sr's
    8 Hamline 17-7-5 9 Berenguer, Kupperman 145 259 56% Arrigoni, VanGlider 5 of Top 7 Are gone
    9 Castleton 22-4-1 2 Stefan, Lafrance 49 340 14% Harris, Alonzo, Cinotti 1 Sr in top 20
    10 Neumann 14-9-5 2 Bianchini, Rodell 7 221 3% Rey, Lacasse, MacKinnon 1 Sr in top 20 (14)
    11 Wisconsin-Superior 16-13-1 4 Berlando, Isley 47 224 21% Faryna, Dalbec, Forsythe 4 of Top 5 Returning Will be SO
    12 Geneseo 16-8-2 6 Rygiel, Elliott 26 263 10% Vit, Redlick, Gershon Top 8 Return
    13 Williams 16-8-3 7 Contini, Masucci, Olvany 113 250 45% Rubino, Wickman, Purdy 3 of top 4 Are Gone
    14 Milwaukee School of 21-6-1 4 Soik, Humphries 32 286 11% Keizer, Krupa, Toomey 1 Sr In Top 10 (4)
    15 Utica 17-8-1 2 Timkey 5 261 2% Coffman, Chlanda, Smith Seniors Played In 27 games Combined
    that was a reason why I put in the utica post %2...1 senior lost......a GREAT European vacation as well which couldnt hurt, as I said there skates will still be wet when they get bak to pink fluffy bunny practice..

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    I think there will be about 5 teams in the East that will really distance themselves from the rest of the region skill wise. Unfortunately they're going to beat each other up this season.

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLite View Post
    ......actually this might be closer to what it'll look like at the end of the season.
    This reminds me... there is no clear objective in-place that dictates how your poll is to be entered. You can either do “The Prez Method” and attempt to get into the heads of the Pollsters (::shivers at the thought::), or you can try to channel the wisdom of your elders and go for the prestigious “Nostradamus Award “ (as NorthernLite did, and a few others as well... including myself) and attempt to predict how the teams will stack-up at the end of the year. It all depends on when you want your fame (or shame) to occur. But only one entry per person, please (unless, of course, you have a split personality, errr... alias!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegehcky2 View Post
    I think there will be about 5 teams in the East that will really distance themselves from the rest of the region skill wise. Unfortunately they're going to beat each other up this season.
    Hmm you wouldn't be talking about Elmira, Norwich, Utica, Oswego and Plattsburgh would you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Hmm you wouldn't be talking about Elmira, Norwich, Utica, Oswego and Plattsburgh would you?
    Try again.

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    i would like to add Westfield State University to the poll. New team, new attitude and plenty of reason to be optimistic this year. Brilliant recruiting and new uniforms to boot.

    GO Owles

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabathegut View Post
    i would like to add Westfield State University to the poll. New team, new attitude and plenty of reason to be optimistic this year. Brilliant recruiting and new uniforms to boot.

    GO Owles
    Do you want to add Plymouth State too.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Hmm you wouldn't be talking about Elmira, Norwich, Utica, Oswego and Plattsburgh would you?
    I'd look to see Castleton State as one of those five to distance themselves from the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegehcky2 View Post
    Try again.
    Utica is going to be right there IMHO. Castleton or Manhattanville?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNHHurstFan View Post
    I'd look to see Castleton State as one of those five to distance themselves from the pack.
    Ding ding ding we have a winner!

    Prez, as long as Utica has Heenan behind the bench I have my reservations about them becoming an upper tier team. I think they'll be very good this year, but we've said that before and they haven't been able to make the jump.

    And Manhattanville's fall from grace last year really puzzled me, so I'm not confident they're going to be all that great.

    As an aside, I think Hobart will be an interesting case this year. How they'll replace Matt Wallace will be interesting. When he wasn't playing last year they really struggled.

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    I know nothing about Heenan's abilities ...but.... 16 sophmores back...including goalies...with any frosh impact players and a great schedule, 75% at home in front of 3000 plus ev game, how can they NOT be better ?
    It all starts with the goaltending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshablak View Post
    I know nothing about Heenan's abilities ...but.... 16 sophmores back...including goalies...with any frosh impact players and a great schedule, 75% at home in front of 3000 plus ev game, how can they NOT be better ?
    gotta agree and they also picked up a BIG D-man from Platty, I think the platty guys said he was their # 2 or 3 D-man so that is saying something, .......they will be a force to recon with I believe, how they can NOT be better is up to them.........

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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    I'd like to see Castleton put a few more quality wins this season before I consider them in the upper echelon of Eastern D-III teams.

    They've certainly got a ton of talent but they also lost their senior sparkplug that really made their top line go in Stuart Stefan. That kid was a stud and it kind of showed in the ECAC East semifinal game they were missing him because the top line that was so dominant all year couldn't carry the majority of the offensive workload.

    As great as their record was last year, Castleton really only beat Norwich for their one great win. The NESCAC had a collectively poor year last year where it seemed every team was incredibly average rather than having 2 or 3 standouts, a few average, and a few below average. Bowdoin may have been the only above average team last year.

    Castleton and Norwich dominated the Interlock last year and then the NESCACs beating up on each other and the rest of the ECAC East.
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    Re: The Completely Unofficial Pre-Pre-Season Polls - 2011-2012 Edition

    1. SNC
    2. Oswego
    3. Norwich
    4. Superior
    5. Adrian
    6. Elmira
    7. Plattsburgh
    8. Williams
    9. Utica
    10. Geneseo

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    No love for the Neumann Knights? I guess respect doesn't last long in the hockey world.

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    When do the final rosters go public?

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