Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    20904/13677/07677/07621
    Posts
    38,988

    Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    From the NCAA Nooz of the Day...

    Ice hockey panel clarifies contact rules

    Committee adds guidance to help officials enforce current restrictions

    By Ty Halpin
    NCAA.org

    The NCAA Ice Hockey Rules Committee reviewed its current rules and provided additional guidance on its stringent rules regarding dangerous contact at its annual meeting June 8-10. As part of the NCAA’s two-year cycle for playing rules changes, the 2011-12 season will not see any new rules.

    The committee did approve several items of guidance for officials to build on the successful implementation of its rules for contact to the head.

    “Progress was certainly made this season,” said Ed McLaughlin, athletics director at Niagara University and chair of the committee. “We are adding some additional guidance to support what is already in our rules in the hope that players, coaches and officials can better understand expectations with this rule.”

    In some cases, officials were hesitant to enforce the contact to the head because they were unsure if a player had clearly “targeted” an opponent. The committee reinforced that targeting is not a prerequisite for this rule to be used.

    Added to the examples of the type of play the committee hopes to remove are players who are reckless, players who are about to receive a pass and direct contact to the head or neck area from any direction. This additional guidance joins several other bullet points already printed in the rules book.

    The committee also points the hockey community to language that already appears in the rules book: “A player delivering a check to an unsuspecting and vulnerable player puts themselves in jeopardy of being penalized under this rule.”

    “We believe our rule is the most robust and aggressive in ice hockey,” McLaughlin said. “What we saw this year was a good start. We’re trying to take any doubt out of this call and help officials who have only one game-speed view of a play to determine how to officiate this play. We realize this is a big penalty and a serious one, but this approach has worked with hitting from behind and we believe it will work here to adjust player behavior.”

    Embellishment/diving

    In addition to the contact to the head and general emphasis on player safety, the committee received feedback from the coaching community that embellishment/diving seems to be a growing issue. The committee voted to make this a point of emphasis for the upcoming season and plans to include several video examples during preseason clinics.

    “Diving and embellishment erode the integrity of our game and must be eliminated,” McLaughlin said. “Trying to deceive officials is unethical and unsporting. This has to be a collaborative effort to make progress.”

    The committee decided to provide guidance regarding obstruction along the boards, where the defensive tactic of pressing and releasing an opponent should be allowed, but impeding is not. Again, additional video examples will be used to encourage consistent application of these rules.

    Finally, the group points attention again to rules that deal with facewashing, which typically occurs after a stoppage in play. Continued and stringent enforcement of these rules is needed to improve the image of the game.

    In other committee action, it was noted that exhibition games currently limit the number of student-athletes that may dress. After some clarification of the committee’s responsibility here, it has been proposed to remove the restriction on the number of players that may dress for exhibition games, pending approval from the Playing Rules Oversight Panel on a July conference call.

    Other highlights

    Several items of consideration for the next rules cycle were discussed and will be shared directly with the membership. They are:

    Overtime. The committee is strongly considering removing a player from each team during regular-season overtime competition (4-on-4) and is also evaluating additional options (such as longer overtime periods). The committee will continue to allow the use of shootouts by conference policy or mutual consent of the competing teams, but support for the rules committee mandating a shootout to decide contests is limited.

    Awarding goals – net dislodged by defensive team. In many cases, the goal cage is knocked off – often unintentionally – by the defending team right before a goal is scored. Current rules do not allow an official to award a goal unless it is obvious and imminent and an egregious act occurs by the defensive team. The committee believes there are some goals that should count in these situations and plans to adjust these rules accordingly.

    Use of visors in men’s ice hockey. The members of the committee who represent men’s ice hockey have been asked by the coaches association to investigate the potential for voluntary use of partial face shields in NCAA hockey. A subcommittee was formed to work with the NCAA Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sport to research the matter. In many cases, NCAA men’s ice hockey student-athletes have participated in developmental leagues where partial protection is allowed before starting NCAA careers. The subcommittee plans to follow up at several points in the coming year with its findings, and to consider the same as appropriate going forward.

    Use of video on the bench. In recent seasons, the use of video at the bench during live play has become more prevalent. In many NCAA sports, including football, the use of such video is strictly prohibited. The committee is not necessarily considering this approach, but it does believe some limits need to be placed on the use of video.

    Hand passes. The committee discussed the options of allowing a hand pass in all three zones (offensive, neutral and defensive) along with the possibility of disallowing hand passes in any zone. While the committee does not have a strong opinion to change the rule in either direction, the issue deserves more discussion as a potential increase to scoring and eliminating whistles. As it currently stands, this rule provides the defensive team an advantage.

    Goal judges. Current rules require that goal judges be used in NCAA games. With the increasing use of video replay during contests, the committee believes that this rule should be optional in the future and that conferences/institutions may determine if goal judges need to be used.

    Teamwork in officiating. In some cases, officials may instinctively signal for a penalty based on the reactions of players and sightlines of the official. Officials have been encouraged to use all information available before making the final determination on calls, and this should continue. The committee would like to find ways to help officials to properly make determinations and potentially alter on-ice calls to enhance the fairness of the game.
    CCT '77 & '78
    4 kids
    5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
    1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

    ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
    - Benjamin Franklin

    Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

    I want to live forever. So far, so good.

  2. #2
    Holding court
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    HOTel cORAL esSEX
    Posts
    5,909

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Gee, Jack Parker is going to have a fit when he reads the stuff about diving/embellishment and dislodging the net.

    But, I'm sure he'll find some way around it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010 View Post
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    48,064

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Regarding the net dislodging, there is a rule (that never seems to be enforced) where if it happens within either the last 2 or last 5 minutes (and overtime), it is punishable by either minor penalty or penalty shot. Before re-writing a rule that doesn't get enforced, how about either trying to enforce it, or make that for the entire game, as there is sufficient evidence to justify it as "delay of game".

    As for the diving, I know one other location where it won't be enforced....

  4. #4
    Holding court
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    HOTel cORAL esSEX
    Posts
    5,909

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Regarding the net dislodging, there is a rule (that never seems to be enforced) where if it happens within either the last 2 or last 5 minutes (and overtime), it is punishable by either minor penalty or penalty shot.
    Correct.

    Example:

    https://www.uscho.com/recaps/2006/12/...-penalty-shot/

    Shame on Parker for not teaching his kids when and when not to dislodge the net! I don't think it has happened since, though, so I'm sure they have only done it "legally" since then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010 View Post
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    48,064

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Correct.

    Example:

    https://www.uscho.com/recaps/2006/12/...-penalty-shot/

    Shame on Parker for not teaching his kids when and when not to dislodge the net! I don't think it has happened since, though, so I'm sure they have only done it "legally" since then.
    I know it wasn't called during the RPI/Union Black Saturday game when Union knocked off the net. However two of the shootout goals were allowed when Iles kicked the net off during the RPI/USA game (although that was using IIHF rules; not sure what's different). If it's dislodged by the goaltender on a penalty shot, you get a do-over if the puck doesn't go in.

  6. #6
    Still upright
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    09 43.19N 83 16.19W
    Posts
    6,848

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    So if I'm a 6' 5" defender and I check a 5'8" forward, it stands to reason that it's nearly impossible not to hit him in or near the head does it not. If I'm the 5'8" guy I'm diving on every check.
    I'm not challenging the rule, just sayin...
    MTU: Three time NCAA champions.

    It never get's easier, you just go faster. -Greg Lemond

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    48,064

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    So if I'm a 6' 5" defender and I check a 5'8" forward, it stands to reason that it's nearly impossible not to hit him in or near the head does it not. If I'm the 5'8" guy I'm diving on every check.
    I'm not challenging the rule, just sayin...
    One of RPI's recruits got a 7-game suspension in the USHL for that very reason. Well, not involving a dive, but an elbow.

  8. #8
    Holding court
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    HOTel cORAL esSEX
    Posts
    5,909

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    One of RPI's recruits got a 7-game suspension in the USHL for that very reason. Well, not involving a dive, but an elbow.
    Curadi?
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010 View Post
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    48,064

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Curadi?
    That would be the one.

  10. #10
    Has Anger Issues FadeToBlack&Gold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    A Headshrinker's Office
    Posts
    32,896

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    So if I'm a 6' 5" defender and I check a 5'8" forward, it stands to reason that it's nearly impossible not to hit him in or near the head does it not. If I'm the 5'8" guy I'm diving on every check.
    I'm not challenging the rule, just sayin...
    It's OK, Doriott doesn't hit anybody.
    Michigan Tech: "Working with scraps and guys from places so remote that Houghton seems like a metropolis"

  11. #11
    I like hockey.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    3,758

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Good: Calling more dives, more leniency on goals w/ a dislodged net, visors
    Bad: Making every hit to the head a penalty (for the height difference reason already mentioned), any discussion of hand passes (it's fine the way it is)
    Places I've seen a college hockey game: Agganis Arena, Alfond Arena, Bright Center, Consol Energy Center, Conte Forum, DCU Center, Fenway Park, Gutterson Fieldhouse, Houston Field House, Lawler Arena, Madison Square Garden, Matthews Arena, Mullins Center, Schneider Arena, Scottrade Center, Sears Centre, Tampa Bay Times Forum, TD Bank Sports Center, TD Garden, Tsongas Center, Tully Forum, Verizon Center, Verizon Wireless Arena, Walter Brown Arena, Wells Fargo Center, Whittemore Center

  12. #12
    Veteran leswp1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    31,510

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Gee, Jack Parker is going to have a fit when he reads the stuff about diving/embellishment and dislodging the net.

    But, I'm sure he'll find some way around it.
    Between he and Jerry York they could hold a school for Olympic diving. If they shut that down what will we whine about?

    Well, BC not as much anymore. Gionta was the best diver around. I was amazed when I saw him play in the NHL, he didn't hit the ice half as much and he was much more impressive.
    Last edited by leswp1; 06-21-2011 at 06:23 PM.

  13. #13
    Anti-Semantic The Rube's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Chez Rube
    Posts
    119,122

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    So if I'm a 6' 5" defender and I check a 5'8" forward, it stands to reason that it's nearly impossible not to hit him in or near the head does it not. If I'm the 5'8" guy I'm diving on every check.
    I'm not challenging the rule, just sayin...
    It's known as the Pronger Defense in the NHL.
    Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
    Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens

  14. #14
    Holding court
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    HOTel cORAL esSEX
    Posts
    5,909

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    That would be the one.
    Not a shocker. Kid is a Clownshoe.


    Quote Originally Posted by leswp1 View Post
    Between he and Jerry York they could hold a school for Olympic diving. If they shut that down what will we whine about?

    Well, BC not as much anymore. Gionta was the best diver around. I was amazed when I saw him play in the NHL, he didn't hit the ice half as much and he was much more impressive.
    No one dove more than Ben Walter. My God he was diving all over the place every game. No wonder he never panned out in the NHL. He better change his ways (like Gionta... LOLOLOLOLLOLOOL) if he wants to make it in the landscaping business. No one will hire him to mow their lawns if he is diving in front of the mower and becomes a safety concern.

    ps - I'm sure you, of all people, will find something else to whine about if they crack down on diving.
    Last edited by Nick Papagiorgio; 06-22-2011 at 08:13 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010 View Post
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

  15. #15
    2147483647
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    23,719

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Emphasis on facewashing? Umm they have full cages on, so its not exactly the same effect as in the NHL.
    PSNetwork / 360 GamerTag: xJeris
    Steam Profile

    Sports Allegiance
    NFL: CHI; MLB: MN, NYM; NHL: MN, MTL; NCAAB: MN, UNLV; NCAAF: MN, MIA; NCAAH: MN; Soccer: USA, Blackburn

  16. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    48,064

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Most aggressive for contact to the head? Isn't the IIHF rule for contact to the head a match penalty? (at least in World Juniors from what I could see it was)

  17. #17
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    South Shore, MA
    Posts
    7,567

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Use of video on the bench. In recent seasons, the use of video at the bench during live play has become more prevalent. In many NCAA sports, including football, the use of such video is strictly prohibited. The committee is not necessarily considering this approach, but it does believe some limits need to be placed on the use of video.
    PC fans will be crowing... the Tim Army Rule.

  18. #18
    Veteran leswp1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    31,510

    Re: Rules Clarifications from the NCAA

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Not a shocker. Kid is a Clownshoe.




    No one dove more than Ben Walter. My God he was diving all over the place every game. No wonder he never panned out in the NHL. He better change his ways (like Gionta... LOLOLOLOLLOLOOL) if he wants to make it in the landscaping business. No one will hire him to mow their lawns if he is diving in front of the mower and becomes a safety concern.

    ps - I'm sure you, of all people, will find something else to whine about if they crack down on diving.
    Not calling him a wuss. I saw his chin stitched -no novicaine- after practically every game he played at the Tsongas. I used to joke with him they were going to run out of places to put things together. He played to the audience. Gionta was a master at that. He is also a really good player. It is much more fun to see him skating rather than flopping down to draw a penalty.

    Bullock was another guy that was amazing at drawing a penalty in college but I think he had his nose rearranged 3 times in the minors. Don't know if he ever made it past that.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •