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    It's Realignment time, it's realignment time! Make it work

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    BTHC     WCHA    CCHA    HEA      AHA     Empire  Ivy        Unassigned
    
    UMn      UND     FSU     BC       SHU     CCT     Harvard    UAH
    UW       SCSU    WMU     BU       BNT     SLU     Dartmouth
    UMi      MTU     LSSU    NE       HC      UC      Yale
    MSU      tUMD    NMU     Prov     AIC     RPI     Princeton
    tOSU     DU      MIA     UML      Army    CLG     Cornell
    PSU      CC      BGSU    MMK      UFA     RIT     Brown
             UAA     UAF     UNH      UConn   CAN
             UM-Man  NDU     Mass     QPAC    NIA
             UNO     RMU     UVM
             BSU     Mercy   Maine
    Untouched conferences: WCHA, HEA, Ivy
    Added to conferences: CCHA
    Changed: AHA
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    Rip it apart, but have something constructive to argue with. Don't say "It will never happen", because the status quo won't stand once the BTHC hits the ice running. Come up with something...
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    Re: It's Realignment time, it's realignment time! Make it work

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Don't say "It will never happen", because the status quo won't stand once the BTHC hits the ice running. Come up with something...
    In the west, maybe. There's no over-riding reason for the Ivies to suddenly split off from the rest of the ECAC just because there's a Big 10 conference forming. Not sure why Quinnipiac would go back to Atlantic Hockey either.

    It will never happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realet View Post
    In the west, maybe. There's no over-riding reason for the Ivies to suddenly split off from the rest of the ECAC just because there's a Big 10 conference forming. Not sure why Quinnipiac would go back to Atlantic Hockey either.

    It will never happen.
    12 team conferences leave no room for expansion. My plan leaves room for URI, Navy, and other BCS schools to join a conference. And, if it pains everyone so much, remember the WCHA - HEA interlock?? It could apply to the Ivy - Empire - AHA mix, if the conferences don't want to play 4x against each other.
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    Re: It's Realignment time, it's realignment time! Make it work

    Quote Originally Posted by realet View Post
    In the west, maybe. There's no over-riding reason for the Ivies to suddenly split off from the rest of the ECAC just because there's a Big 10 conference forming. Not sure why Quinnipiac would go back to Atlantic Hockey either.

    It will never happen.
    Give UConn to Hockey East so they have every state school with Hockey (the lone without is Rhode Island). Give Northeastern to Atlantic Hockey (on the condition that Atlantic Hockey get rid of their dumb scholarship rule). NU can still play in the Beanpot. Dont worry about it.

    The Ivy league would be horrendous. I wouldnt even give an auto bid to that conference. Also, that would leave you with 9 autobids and would lead to more dumb threads that would come up every year about how your team got screwed.

    Not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Cut #1
    Bold = BCS school
    Code:
    BTHC     WCHA    CCHA    HEA      AHA     Empire  Ivy        Unassigned
    
    UMn      UND     FSU     BC       SHU     CCT     Harvard    UAH
    UW       SCSU    WMU     BU       BNT     SLU     Dartmouth
    UMi      MTU     LSSU    NE       HC      UC      Yale
    MSU      tUMD    NMU     Prov     AIC     RPI     Princeton
    tOSU     DU      MIA     UML      Army    CLG     Cornell
    PSU      CC      BGSU    MMK      UFA     RIT     Brown
             UAA     UAF     UNH      UConn   CAN
             UM-Man  NDU     Mass     QPAC    NIA
             UNO     RMU     UVM
             BSU     Mercy   Maine
    Untouched conferences: WCHA, HEA, Ivy
    Added to conferences: CCHA
    Changed: AHA
    New: Empire

    Rip it apart, but have something constructive to argue with. Don't say "It will never happen", because the status quo won't stand once the BTHC hits the ice running. Come up with something...
    I may have missed it, but where is Air Force? I know that Air Force and Army will stay in the same conference, and when Navy fires up they will play in the same conference. Also, we need to put UAH into a conference, where do they fit best? CCHA? I'm not sure.
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    The only way we see something weird happen in the east is if the Ivies split, but unless the ECAC non-ivies start getting hot (the future looks good for RPI and Union, though I'm not so sure about the other four), they aren't going to be breaking off anytime soon. I'd like it because of the whole schedule mismatch (34 games vs. 29), but it probably won't happen.

    One thought from one of my friends was to bring in a couple of the smaller CCHA teams like Bowling Green or Ferris, but it would seem to me like that would create a bigger hassle in travel.

    I like the idea of an Empire league created from the non-ivies, maybe also include Q-Pac and Army (if they were willing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevergoodenough View Post
    I may have missed it, but where is Air Force? I know that Air Force and Army will stay in the same conference, and when Navy fires up they will play in the same conference. Also, we need to put UAH into a conference, where do they fit best? CCHA? I'm not sure.
    I think "UFA" is (somehow) Air Force.
    My take:
    WCHA: Same minus MN and WI. (10 teams)
    CCHA: Same minus MI, MSU, OSU and ND (8 teams)
    EZAC: Same (12 teams)
    HE: Same (10 teams)
    AHA: Same minus UConn plus UAH (12 teams), eventually splitting into a full/18 scholarship league (UAH, AFA, MH, RMU, RIT, Niagara) and a cost-containment league (Canisius, Army, SH, AIC, Bentley, Holy Cross). The full/18 scholarship league may eventually wind up merging with what's left of the CCHA is some of those schools fold.
    This, plus the BTHC (8 teams) would make seven leagues, possibly necessitating a "play-in game" between the CCHA, EZAC and the two AHA leagues for the tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFHockeyFan View Post
    CCHA: Same minus MI, MSU, OSU and ND (8 teams)
    So where does Notre Dame end up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevox View Post
    So where does Notre Dame end up?
    And uconn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMU8405 View Post
    The Ivy league would be horrendous. I wouldnt even give an auto bid to that conference.
    Fortunately, you wouldn't have a choice. It's a D1 league with 6 competing members; they'd get one regardless of any objections you or anyone else would have. If hockey ever grows, they'll eventually split off. But that's decades away at the earliest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Fortunately, you wouldn't have a choice. It's a D1 league with 6 competing members; they'd get one regardless of any objections you or anyone else would have. If hockey ever grows, they'll eventually split off. But that's decades away at the earliest.
    Also, 2007 was the last time an Ivy League team was not admitted to the tournament. Before that, when? So long as they're getting in from the ECAC, they have no reason to change.

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    Give UConn to Hockey East so they have every state school with Hockey (the lone without is Rhode Island). Give Northeastern to Atlantic Hockey (on the condition that Atlantic Hockey get rid of their dumb scholarship rule). NU can still play in the Beanpot. Dont worry about it.

    The Ivy league would be horrendous. I wouldnt even give an auto bid to that conference. Also, that would leave you with 9 autobids and would lead to more dumb threads that would come up every year about how your team got screwed.

    Not going to happen.
    You're joking right? Northeastern is one of the founding members of HE. In case you didn't watch this year they did beat BU in HE playoffs and pushed BC to the limit twice at the garden. If any team would get bounced from HE it would be PC, UML, or Merimack before Northeastern.

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    I HATE the idea of the BTHC. I love being in the CCHA and now the rivalry with ND is done for. There's only one B10 team that's any good right now and that's Michigan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHFAN222 View Post
    You're joking right? Northeastern is one of the founding members of HE. In case you didn't watch this year they did beat BU in HE playoffs and pushed BC to the limit twice at the garden. If any team would get bounced from HE it would be PC, UML, or Merimack before Northeastern.
    Isn't PC also one of the founding members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevox View Post
    So where does Notre Dame end up?
    Quote Originally Posted by WildShawn View Post
    And uconn?
    Big East Hockey, obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Isn't PC also one of the founding members?
    Isn't UML also one of the founding members?

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    My plan leaves room for URI, Navy, and other BCS schools to join a conference. And, if it pains everyone so much, remember the WCHA - HEA interlock?? It could apply to the Ivy - Empire - AHA mix, if the conferences don't want to play 4x against each other.
    None of this makes any sense. These schools aren't going to start programs just because you demand it. If your proposed Ivy and Empire leagues are going to have some kind of "interlock," what is the problem with the way things are right now? The ECAC isn't going to dissolve itself in order to help OTHER schools with the decision to start programs.

    And why is there this hard and fast rule that conferences can't go over 12 teams? Who decided this was a thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevox View Post
    So where does Notre Dame end up?
    Quote Originally Posted by WildShawn View Post
    And uconn?

    "BTHC (8 teams)"

    Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Notre Dame, Uconn.
    Big Ten goes to 16 teams (likely candidates to fill the other spots are Kansas, Missouri, Syracuse and Rutgers). Notre Dame can even join for hockey only if they want. Gets the camel's nose under the tent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFHockeyFan View Post
    "BTHC (8 teams)"

    Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Notre Dame, Uconn. Big Ten goes to 16 teams (likely candidates are Kansas and Missouri, Syracuse or Rutgers).
    Um...not a chance. This is BIG TEN...not Big Ten Plus others. If the Big Ten were to take anyone it would be Notre Dame, but they have stated that Notre Dame has to join in all sports to be in.

    And I believe their answer to Miami to join was "No, you're a MAC school." They arent going to let a lesser hockey team, let alone a Big East team in. Sorry, this is a Big 0% Chance of happening. In fact, there is a better chance of Earth getting hit by an asteroid in the next 72 hours than this happening.
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    Re: It's Realignment time, it's realignment time! Make it work

    Quote Originally Posted by NMU8405 View Post
    This is BIG TEN...not Big Ten Plus others.
    It's already the Big Twelve, which is the Big Ten plus at least two others.

    Quote Originally Posted by NMU8405 View Post
    They arent going to let a lesser hockey team, let alone a Big East team in.
    UConn would be full member in the expansion to sixteen. They are an up-and-comer in all major sports--football had a BCS bid this year and played at the Big House, men's and women's hoops are always solid, and they hosted a baseball regional last year and are ranked again this year--quality in all three major sports. Hockey gives the rest of the conference a doormat for a while until that program grows. Plus you finally add the East Coast market for the network. UConn is a natural choice for expansion.
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