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    Clarkson recruit problems

    I was just talking with someone yesterday who asked me what happened to the Clarkson recruits who got in trouble last summer? Since I didn't have an answer I thought I would ask all of you. Has anyone heard any recent news or was this just "swept under the rug"? I hope not because the charges were pretty serious, if I remember right.

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    I was told by a player that Roll told him he had 3 Dmen coming in for next season. If you check Chris Heisenburg's web site listing all D1 recruits it only lists 1, Pratt coming in 2010. This leads me to believe that both McEachen and Ciccarello who are Dmen are still coming in 2010. Heisenburgs site is always up to date so I think Roll is just trying to bring them in under the radar. McEachen played this season for the Wellington Dukes in the OJAHL, 4 goals 17 assists. Ciccarello played this season in the EJHL for the Green Mountain Glades putting up 3 goals 17 assists.
    Interesting note is that Pratt,McEachen and another recruit Zarbo all played for Wellington this season. I would suspect that Roll had a lot to do with all three being on this team, makes keeping track of them and watching them alot easier.
    As for the other player in the ordeal,Sakaris, he played this season accross the boarder for Nepean Raiders and is still listed on Heisenburgs web site to come to Clarkson in 2011.
    As for my thoughts about bringing these players back after the incident last summer I can't in my right mind understand why Roll would still want them in Potsdam. What kind of message is he sending, that character doesn't matter. That this is acceptable behavior for a Golden Knight hockey player!! I don't care if McEachen is related to someone high up the food chain in pro hockey he shouldn't be allowed back. As for Ciccarello I've seen him play several times and he is a very ordinary player. There are many, many that could fill his roll playing in the CJHL,EJHL and other leagues close to Potsdam.

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    It seems like that is one of Clarkson's problems. They don't care about the "quality" of the person. As a person who lives in Potsdam, I have seen Clarkson's program go downhill even though they are bringing in recruits who have been drafted and as labled as a player. I have seen them out at bars and many of them act like idiots; very disrespectful to employees and other patrons (mainly because they are Clarkson hockey players). I have a hard time believing that Clarkson could justify bringing in these guys after what they have been accused of, especially if they are "ordinary" players. Clarkson's hockey program needs a shot in the arm but this is not it.

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    This is storied program in College Hockey, to bad.

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    Hope you get your program back on track (..but not too much. ) as the ECAC would not be the ECAC without Clarkson in the mix..
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    Wow... Juha. Why are there no Clarkson fans beating their chests about this commitment? This is a huge get.

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    There are some good kids coming in as well, such as Mike Garlasco. I know his family and they're good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Exiled One View Post
    Wow... Juha. Why are there no Clarkson fans beating their chests about this commitment? This is a huge get.
    I think it's because most of the CCT fans post primarily on their own Forum. If you want to read their thoughts on recruits, etc., just do a Google Search for Clarkson RoundTable. It's a great site and even some SLU fans such as me chose to and are allowed to post there without getting thrown out (at least not yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskieman View Post
    I think it's because most of the CCT fans post primarily on their own Forum. If you want to read their thoughts on recruits, etc., just do a Google Search for Clarkson RoundTable. It's a great site and even some SLU fans such as me chose to and are allowed to post there without getting thrown out (at least not yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    We never throw out former SLU assistant coaches. or members of the SLU Class of 1977.
    Gotta love that 0-0-1 record. Was Class of '76 but should of been '74.

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    I'm a '68 graduate. Clarkson has always had "issues" finding quality D1 players who could academically "cut it". In my four years there, they had a French speaking player, Richi St. Laurant, who may have been the best player in thoses years who never saw game action because of grades. The combination of the language barrier and possibly lack of effort did him in. At that time Clarkson didn't have an majors, other than possibly Buiness, that was less academically rigorous than the engineering & science majors. Clarkson academically was/is similar to RPI, who also had the same problem. I remember being at the rink doing my Compuware Junior hockey job at Christmas time and buming into then RPI head coach, Buddy Powers. When I asked him what brought him out at holiday time, he said "I'm looking for another Joe Junneau." Joe came to RPI speaking little to no English, and left for the NHL with a degree in Aironautical Engineering. I commented that they don't make that combination of skills very often. Clarkson & RPI have had a high rate of players with grade programs than most of the D1 schools. The Ivy league teams, however, naturally attract high academic student/atheles,
    and most are their for an education and to play hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskieman View Post
    Gotta love that 0-0-1 record. Was Class of '76 but should of been '74.
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    Regarding the two recruits, I suspect that the devil is in the details. If whatever happened was consensual, the players may not have been aware of New York's more restrictive laws. I would not condemn these guys, or the institution that recruited them, until all the details are known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRICKER View Post
    I'm a '68 graduate. Clarkson has always had "issues" finding quality D1 players who could academically "cut it". In my four years there, they had a French speaking player, Richi St. Laurant, who may have been the best player in thoses years who never saw game action because of grades. The combination of the language barrier and possibly lack of effort did him in. At that time Clarkson didn't have an majors, other than possibly Buiness, that was less academically rigorous than the engineering & science majors. Clarkson academically was/is similar to RPI, who also had the same problem. I remember being at the rink doing my Compuware Junior hockey job at Christmas time and buming into then RPI head coach, Buddy Powers. When I asked him what brought him out at holiday time, he said "I'm looking for another Joe Junneau." Joe came to RPI speaking little to no English, and left for the NHL with a degree in Aironautical Engineering. I commented that they don't make that combination of skills very often. Clarkson & RPI have had a high rate of players with grade programs than most of the D1 schools. The Ivy league teams, however, naturally attract high academic student/atheles,
    and most are their for an education and to play hockey.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "grade programs" but RPI hockey players are getting it done in a big way in the classroom (if not on the playoff ice)... The last several RPI teams have had numerous (12+) players earning Dean's List / All-Academic honors in the ECAC which includes the Ivies. Last year's team had an APR (Academic Progress Rate) in the top 10% nationally. This year's RPI team has at least 5 Engineering majors and likely will again have multiple Dean's Listers.

    I'd be surprised if Clarkson had one Engineering major on the squad. Some would argue that the academics standards at the two schools are not equal.

    As far as Juneau is concerned, he had his share of growing pains at RPI - including his own admission that thanks to the language barrier - he failed (badly) the first two tests he ever took at RPI. With help from language tutors he recovered quickly and earned his Aero. Eng. degree with a perfect 4.0 GPA.

    Francophone players clearly have an uphill battle when they attend rigorous academic schools. While their numbers are not large, RPI has not shied away from recruiting these kids...the Angers-Goulet brothers and incoming recruit Jacob Laliberte being the latest examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firebush View Post
    I was just talking with someone yesterday who asked me what happened to the Clarkson recruits who got in trouble last summer? Since I didn't have an answer I thought I would ask all of you. Has anyone heard any recent news or was this just "swept under the rug"? I hope not because the charges were pretty serious, if I remember right.
    All three defendants entered not guilty pleas and the case appeared to be heading to trial. I'll stand corrected, but I've heard nothing so far regarding a settlement or plea bargains.
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    One would think, any association with these kids to your program is not a good thing.
    A trial doesn't sound good for these young men, and a plead of ignorance regarding the "age of consent" in New York State won't help them.
    Sounds like a messy deal all the way around.
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    This recruit article notes that they haven't had their hearing yet.........their status remains unclear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSTuthill View Post
    Regarding the two recruits, I suspect that the devil is in the details. If whatever happened was consensual, the players may not have been aware of New York's more restrictive laws. I would not condemn these guys, or the institution that recruited them, until all the details are known.
    I agree, that would be the best way. If we all have learned anything from the Duke lacross case, these kids are innocent until proven guilty.

    Quote Originally Posted by firebush View Post
    It seems like that is one of Clarkson's problems. They don't care about the "quality" of the person. As a person who lives in Potsdam, I have seen Clarkson's program go downhill even though they are bringing in recruits who have been drafted and as labled as a player. I have seen them out at bars and many of them act like idiots; very disrespectful to employees and other patrons (mainly because they are Clarkson hockey players). I have a hard time believing that Clarkson could justify bringing in these guys after what they have been accused of, especially if they are "ordinary" players. Clarkson's hockey program needs a shot in the arm but this is not it.
    Not saying Miami's way is the be all end all but our coaching staff has put a strict emphasis on character and it has paid off. There have been very good players they went away from because of issues and a player who had been committed with a LOI signed they pulled a scholi from because of an incident. Just saying I think it is a solid way to go to put added emphasis on character. It helps with team chemistry and provides a more positive atmosphere all around, all just my opinion.

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    I was told by a player that Roll told him he had 3 Dmen coming in for next season. If you check Chris Heisenburg's web site listing all D1 recruits it only lists 1, Pratt coming in 2010. This leads me to believe that both McEachen and Ciccarello who are Dmen are still coming in 2010. Heisenburgs site is always up to date so I think Roll is just trying to bring them in under the radar. McEachen played this season for the Wellington Dukes in the OJAHL, 4 goals 17 assists. Ciccarello played this season in the EJHL for the Green Mountain Glades putting up 3 goals 17 assists.
    Interesting note is that Pratt,McEachen and another recruit Zarbo all played for Wellington this season. I would suspect that Roll had a lot to do with all three being on this team, makes keeping track of them and watching them alot easier.
    As for the other player in the ordeal,Sakaris, he played this season accross the boarder for Nepean Raiders and is still listed on Heisenburgs web site to come to Clarkson in 2011.
    As for my thoughts about bringing these players back after the incident last summer I can't in my right mind understand why Roll would still want them in Potsdam. What kind of message is he sending, that character doesn't matter. That this is acceptable behavior for a Golden Knight hockey player!! I don't care if McEachen is related to someone high up the food chain in pro hockey he shouldn't be allowed back. As for Ciccarello I've seen him play several times and he is a very ordinary player. There are many, many that could fill his roll playing in the CJHL,EJHL and other leagues close to Potsdam.
    Heisenberg is pretty spot on, if a guy has signed a LOI or is committed somewhere he has them listed. If they aren't listed I would think it is safe to say there are no intentions of having them on campus. It would be tough to have them fly under the radar if they have signed LOI because that is made public. Only way is if they are recruited walk on's but even those guys heisenberg has been spot on with.
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    It is easy as a recruiter to bring in skilled hockey players, but much harder
    to find skilled players with high character. Although much easier than bringing in "student/athletes" in BB & FB from the inner cities, hockey is such a "niche" sport and such a small percentage of the elite athletes can actually even stand up on skates, there are only so many prospects available in the pool.
    Academic requirements at RPI, Michigan Tech, and Clarkson and limited majors that an academically challenged player can take make filling the roster
    difficult. Let's face it, hockey players drink beer - always have, always will. If they act like jerks or "entitled" (a word used for jocks who let us down like Tiger Woods), it means that either the coaches haven't done their homework, or, more likely, they have taken a chance on a recruit that they believe has changed his way. It's hard to bring in a gifted player that won't be a "one and out" Freshman who bolts to the NHL, just as it is to find one who will survive academically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "grade programs" but RPI hockey players are getting it done in a big way in the classroom (if not on the playoff ice)... The last several RPI teams have had numerous (12+) players earning Dean's List / All-Academic honors in the ECAC which includes the Ivies. Last year's team had an APR (Academic Progress Rate) in the top 10% nationally. This year's RPI team has at least 5 Engineering majors and likely will again have multiple Dean's Listers.

    I'd be surprised if Clarkson had one Engineering major on the squad. Some would argue that the academics standards at the two schools are not equal.

    As far as Juneau is concerned, he had his share of growing pains at RPI - including his own admission that thanks to the language barrier - he failed (badly) the first two tests he ever took at RPI. With help from language tutors he recovered quickly and earned his Aero. Eng. degree with a perfect 4.0 GPA.

    Francophone players clearly have an uphill battle when they attend rigorous academic schools. While their numbers are not large, RPI has not shied away from recruiting these kids...the Angers-Goulet brothers and incoming recruit Jacob Laliberte being the latest examples.
    Well said. Ivies are difficult to get into and difficult to flunk out of. They also have a broader range of majors from which to choose, making it a bit easier to find a place for a player you really want.

    As for Clarkson; good school, but not quite in the same ball park as RPI.

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