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    Should the NCAA combine the Men's and Women's frozen fours?

    I had this discussion with some other college hockey fans and the reaction was mixed. I don't care one bit for women's hockey. However I do care about developing the sport at all levels at both genders. I think that holding the events on the same weekend (M: thurs/sat W: wed/fri) might help to grow attention and awareness to new people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    I had this discussion with some other college hockey fans and the reaction was mixed. I don't care one bit for women's hockey. However I do care about developing the sport at all levels at both genders. I think that holding the events on the same weekend (M: thurs/sat W: wed/fri) might help to grow attention and awareness to new people.
    I follow the women's game too and it is light years ahead of what it was just 5 years ago. I would like to see W: Thurs (4 and 730)/Sat(3, followed by skills/hobey) and M: Fri(4 and 730)/Sun(6).

    Just a first thought. I'd like to hear more opinions.
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    how does bouncyball do it? not the same place, right? There could be some good marketing in it, in that, say, purchase a ticket to the 3 games for men, get tickets to the women's games free. The money spent on concessions would most likely make up for anything lost had they not done that. It would draw more people to the women's games. I don't know if I like both being combined for sure, but I think it'd be a good idea if something like that were implemented if they were to combine it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roben View Post
    how does bouncyball do it? not the same place, right? There could be some good marketing in it, in that, say, purchase a ticket to the 3 games for men, get tickets to the women's games free. The money spent on concessions would most likely make up for anything lost had they not done that. It would draw more people to the women's games. I don't know if I like both being combined for sure, but I think it'd be a good idea if something like that were implemented if they were to combine it.
    I agree. Women's basketball is more popular than either of the hockey's. Their tournament is actually very strong as it is. Women's college hockey is extremely low on the totem of NCAA sports and I think somehow combining the championships could really help improve it's visibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    I agree. Women's basketball is more popular than either of the hockey's. Their tournament is actually very strong as it is. Women's college hockey is extremely low on the totem of NCAA sports and I think somehow combining the championships could really help improve it's visibility.
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    Interesting idea. The women's FF now lacks an "event" feel and would probably benefit from being included, epecially with new fans and increased media exposure.

    A lotta questions would need to be answered. If you included the women's FF with the men on ticketing for free, would that shut out some women's fans that go to the women's FF now without hassle, as the men's fans are mostly lottery fans with more ticket demand than supply?

    Would men's fans actually pay more for the overall ticket package to see the women included? How many men's fans would actually show up at the women's games?

    You'd also need some logistic juggling with practices, etc. but it could be done....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Swami View Post
    Interesting idea. The women's FF now lacks an "event" feel and would probably benefit from being included, epecially with new fans and increased media exposure.

    A lotta questions would need to be answered. If you included the women's FF with the men on ticketing for free, would that shut out some women's fans that go to the women's FF now without hassle, as the men's fans are mostly lottery fans with more ticket demand than supply?

    Would men's fans actually pay more for the overall ticket package to see the women included? How many men's fans would actually show up at the women's games?

    You'd also need some logistic juggling with practices, etc. but it could be done....
    I don't know about where the revenues from the ticket sales for each sport goes so I am not sure if you can combine ticket packages. But here is my idea if you can...the women's event does not attract more than 10,000 fans. The Men's Frozen Four is generally held in arenas with at least 17,000 capacity. Therefore, why not set aside 5,000 tickets that can be claimed at the window by showing your Men's ticket? The upper bowl area would be free admission. For $10/seat you can upgrade to lower bowl. Just an idea...
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    I think we're all on to something. I would hope the NCAA would see this as an opportunity and would take advantage of it. Things would have to be figured out, logistically speaking, however, it could be done. If it's held in a bigger city, at least northern states/mw states, there might be an ice arena near by that could house practices. Granted, teams would be hauling equipment back and forth, but that could always be a possibility.

    They could just move it up to February and always have it in the northern plains and have outside practice.
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    Re: Should the NCAA combine the Men's and Women's frozen fours?

    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    the women's event does not attract more than 10,000 fans.
    Just some facts so everyone knows where we stand currently (and know that I broadcast Minnesota High School girl's hockey on the radio, and have for 11 years, so I know women's hockey pretty well):

    This years Women's Frozen Four is being held at Ridder Arena @ UMinn; capacity 3,400

    Last years Frozen Four had 2706 at each Semifinal and 2437 @ the Championship game at Agganis Arena @ BU

    The 2011 Frozen Four is set for the Tullio Arena, hosted by Mercyhurst; cap 5500

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose97 View Post
    Just some facts so everyone knows where we stand currently (and know that I broadcast Minnesota High School girl's hockey on the radio, and have for 11 years, so I know women's hockey pretty well):

    This years Women's Frozen Four is being held at Ridder Arena @ UMinn; capacity 3,400

    Last years Frozen Four had 2706 at each Semifinal and 2437 @ the Championship game at Agganis Arena @ BU

    The 2011 Frozen Four is set for the Tullio Arena, hosted by Mercyhurst; cap 5500
    Then I see absolutely no reason why they cannot give general admission seating the first XX,000 or so fans that show up with a valid Men's ticket. It seems like a no-brainer from a marketing standpoint.
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    What a great idea!

    I'd price it so you could just buy the women's games in you want, but I'd include the women's games in the men's game ticket package for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    What a great idea!

    I'd price it so you could just buy the women's games in you want, but I'd include the women's games in the men's game ticket package for nothing.
    BINGO! That is where I was going from the beginning. This is an obvious no brainier in my mind, as long as the details are worked out accordingly. So who do i cantact at the NCAA to get this put into action?
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    BINGO! That is where I was going from the beginning. This is an obvious no brainier in my mind, as long as the details are worked out accordingly. So who do i cantact at the NCAA to get this put into action?
    Yeah, but they will laugh in your face because it makes too much sense, but yet not enough cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    I don't know about where the revenues from the ticket sales for each sport goes so I am not sure if you can combine ticket packages. But here is my idea if you can...the women's event does not attract more than 10,000 fans. The Men's Frozen Four is generally held in arenas with at least 17,000 capacity. Therefore, why not set aside 5,000 tickets that can be claimed at the window by showing your Men's ticket? The upper bowl area would be free admission. For $10/seat you can upgrade to lower bowl. Just an idea...
    I was thinking something similar. Hold the events in the same venue, but ticket them separately. Women's attendees would be able to get the cheaper package without having to go through the lottery, but would only have access to the women's games; men's attendees would get a voucher in their ticket package that enables them to attend the women's games (for a small extra fee if necessary).

    I don't think that many fans would double dip, as I would assume most visitors for the games would want to do their day around town on the day in between the games. But I think even 10% of the men's audience showing up to bolster the women's crowd would be a huge boon.
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    I think you actually would see a lot of double dipping..... If Minnesota, Wisconsin, Boston College, New Hampshire ect were in both tournys.....
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    Re: Should the NCAA combine the Men's and Women's frozen fours?

    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    I agree. Women's basketball is more popular than either of the hockey's. Their tournament is actually very strong as it is. Women's college hockey is extremely low on the totem of NCAA sports and I think somehow combining the championships could really help improve it's visibility.
    Which is interesting considering the same two ****ing teams win every ****ing year.

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    Re: Should the NCAA combine the Men's and Women's frozen fours?

    Quote Originally Posted by STATEdude3 View Post
    I had this discussion with some other college hockey fans and the reaction was mixed. I don't care one bit for women's hockey. However I do care about developing the sport at all levels at both genders. I think that holding the events on the same weekend (M: thurs/sat W: wed/fri) might help to grow attention and awareness to new people.
    Didn't they already do that when they started letting non-WCHA teams into the tournament?

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    Re: Should the NCAA combine the Men's and Women's frozen fours?

    Also a problem:

    The women's FF is this weekend. The men's FF is 3 weekends from now. Inevitably, you're going to have the women either with a ridiculously long break, or interfering with the national tournament (nistead of conference ones)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrier520 View Post
    Also a problem:

    The women's FF is this weekend. The men's FF is 3 weekends from now. Inevitably, you're going to have the women either with a ridiculously long break, or interfering with the national tournament (nistead of conference ones)
    Why not just start the season a couple weeks later?
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