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    Whoever the Dem nominee is, they need to get every college kid who has turned or will turn 18 before next November registered and to the polls. It was a good strategy for Elise Slotkin - without East Lansing, Mike Bishop would still be my rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Tom Perez was on POTUS this morning and was excellent. He's got a good political mind and he's not falling into the old traps that plagued us under prior leadership. I'm happy with him as the DNC lead.
    I hope to god youíre right. Iíve not seen enough yet to agree he was the right choice

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    I hope to god you’re right. I’ve not seen enough yet to agree he was the right choice
    I have a little inside info on him. Dr. Mrs. knows him socially and has talked politics with him going way back. She has always been very impressed with him. When he lets his hair down he truly knows the score. Some of his awkwardness early on was just the natural settling in of a nerdy, numbers, policy guy in a grip-and-grin business dummy role. But at the draftsman's table he's always been excellent. He also had a ton of damage to repair after the predations of the prior regime. They ran things for themselves, not the party (I'm sure you find this shocking, I know).

    I think this is the end of this role for him -- he doesn't really enjoy it and he basically got drafted into it because everybody was so angry with each other and he was the only person both sides respected. He thinks he's more effective overall as a field commander but really I dunno. The figurehead job is tough, especially now with so many rifts, and the fact that he's managed to hold sh-t together and get people to actually talk to each other is a rave review in these times.
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Whoever the Dem nominee is, they need to get every college kid who has turned or will turn 18 before next November registered and to the polls. It was a good strategy for Elise Slotkin - without East Lansing, Mike Bishop would still be my rep.
    There was a nice story this morning on XM Progress about a 17-year old who has been working her tail off registering hundreds of people. She won't be old enough to vote and when the interviewer asked her why she was working so hard she said, "I still have to live here!"

    We need an army of these people. Get all the smart kids involved when they are still young and energetic and have hope before the idiocy of wage slavery reduces them to lowing right wing cattle. The only thing stopping us from making this country better is our own cautiousness. The Founders gave us all the tools. Learn them. Use them. We have it in our power to dominate the 1% instead of vice versa. There wouldn't be a Republican in office in this country if we all worked as hard as that girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Whoever the Dem nominee is, they need to get every college kid who has turned or will turn 18 before next November registered and to the polls. It was a good strategy for Elise Slotkin - without East Lansing, Mike Bishop would still be my rep.
    Did you see the story a few weeks ago about republican efforts to stop college kids from voting? Itís not a surprise but Iím still disgusted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Did you see the story a few weeks ago about republican efforts to stop college kids from voting? Itís not a surprise but Iím still disgusted
    They always do this. They can't win if they don't cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Did you see the story a few weeks ago about republican efforts to stop college kids from voting? Itís not a surprise but Iím still disgusted
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/voting-college-suppression.amp.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Did you see the story a few weeks ago about republican efforts to stop college kids from voting? It’s not a surprise but I’m still disgusted
    Of course. They'll do anything, and their fellow brownshirts appointed to the bench let them do it.
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    It's amazing to me how many Trumpies have dug their heels in and especially so since the impeachment talk started gaining speed. I honestly thought even a smidge would pay attention to content rather than sources and finally see the light. They really think it's a witch hunt and the only reason it's happening is become Democrats, "haven't accepted the 2016 elections results".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    It's amazing to me how many Trumpies have dug their heels in and especially so since the impeachment talk started gaining speed. I honestly thought even a smidge would pay attention to content rather than sources and finally see the light. They really think it's a witch hunt and the only reason it's happening is become Democrats, "haven't accepted the 2016 elections results".
    It's also very interesting how with the Mueller report they are now investigating the "origins" of the investigation into Trump. And, now they're obsessed with the "whistle blower" which appears to be the origins of the Ukraine Story. Both times the evidence was overwhelming, and yet they're butthurt over it being found out about in the first place.
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    It's amazing to me how many Trumpies have dug their heels in and especially so since the impeachment talk started gaining speed. I honestly thought even a smidge would pay attention to content rather than sources and finally see the light. They really think it's a witch hunt and the only reason it's happening is become Democrats, "haven't accepted the 2016 elections results".
    IIRC, I've heard/read that a lot conservatives pulled the same crap with Nixon, it's just that most of us weren't alive to remember it.

    In fact, plenty of boomers are now saying Nixon's worst mistake was resigning instead of fighting the charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    When he lets his hair down .
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    It's amazing to me how many Trumpies have dug their heels in and especially so since the impeachment talk started gaining speed. I honestly thought even a smidge would pay attention to content rather than sources and finally see the light. They really think it's a witch hunt and the only reason it's happening is become Democrats, "haven't accepted the 2016 elections results".
    When you're being led around by your nose, it's very hard to see where you're stepping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    It's also very interesting how with the Mueller report they are now investigating the "origins" of the investigation into Trump. And, now they're obsessed with the "whistle blower" which appears to be the origins of the Ukraine Story. Both times the evidence was overwhelming, and yet they're butthurt over it being found out about in the first place.
    The Ukraine story IS the Mueller Report.

    It's all one and the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    The Ukraine story IS the Mueller Report.

    It's all one and the same.
    I don't disagree.
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    IIRC, I've heard/read that a lot conservatives pulled the same crap with Nixon, it's just that most of us weren't alive to remember it.

    In fact, plenty of boomers are now saying Nixon's worst mistake was resigning instead of fighting the charges.
    I was surprised to learn as well that Nixon's support didn't absolutely collapse to the widely quoted 25% until the last week, when the "smoking gun" tape was released basically confirming in his own voice every accusation against him. It would be akin to a recording of Chump asking Putin to fuk with the 2020 election in exchange for giving him Ukraine.

    I'd also say that Nixon himself worried about the very real prospect of jail time, and resigning was partly a self punishment in order to avoid that fate (which it should be said actually worked).
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    I think I found trixie's burner/Berner account!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I was surprised to learn as well that Nixon's support didn't absolutely collapse to the widely quoted 25% until the last week, when the "smoking gun" tape was released basically confirming in his own voice every accusation against him. It would be akin to a recording of Chump asking Putin to fuk with the 2020 election in exchange for giving him Ukraine.
    Except today his supporters would say that was a brilliant deal conceived in Sniffles' superior mind.

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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I was surprised to learn as well that Nixon's support didn't absolutely collapse to the widely quoted 25% until the last week, when the "smoking gun" tape was released basically confirming in his own voice every accusation against him.
    Fox News was literally created because of this. Roger Ailes thought if there had been a conservative propaganda network Nixon's support would have held. We are seeing now how right he was. Dump has already been caught dead to rights but his support will never erode because the Echo Chamber will just continue to pump the saps full of BS.
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