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  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    You're gonna have to make that an Amex card for the Millennial and Gen Z set.
    If anyone here watches "American Gods" (tv series) this image is more hilarious than you know. It was covered midway in the 2nd season, and it's dam true.
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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

      Originally posted by The Rube View Post
      If anyone here watches "American Gods" (tv series) this image is more hilarious than you know. It was covered midway in the 2nd season, and it's dam true.
      In 1933, Roosevelt took the United States off the Gold Standard, right? Yeah, so? So, you can't just go into a bank and redeem money for gold or silver.
      You said money is the most powerful god in America.
      But money isn't actually worth anything.
      I have a piece of paper, hm? But I want this salt shaker.
      You have the salt shaker, but you're willing to take my piece of paper for your salt shaker.
      Now, why would you do that? Because this isn't actually a piece of paper; it's a story.
      And the story that you've heard over and over and over again.
      And it's been drummed into you that this is worth something.
      This is of value.
      No matter what country, culture, or religion.
      The whole world loves money.
      The greatest story ever told.
      So, Money.
      Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
      Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens

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      • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
        So after that it was only by choice
        As it should be.
        What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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        • Originally posted by rufus View Post
          As it should be.
          Always
          a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Obviously, because a door stop is better.

            The question is whether he is better than other Democratic candidates.
            When you say “better” do you mean better in who you agree with most on policy? Or better chance of beating trump?

            IMO the only thing that really matters is who has the best chance of winning, regardless in the nuances of their policy ideas.

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            • Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
              Anything is possible but the only front-runner who would want him is Biden. If Biden were the nominee a black VP candidate would be attractive, but MA is a given. Better to choose Andrew Gillum in hopes that he can help bring Florida's 29 electoral votes into the blue column. That's what Warren might be doing.
              Gillum may just be the perfect VP choice for any of them.

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              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
                When you say “better” do you mean better in who you agree with most on policy? Or better chance of beating trump?

                IMO the only thing that really matters is who has the best chance of winning, regardless in the nuances of their policy ideas.
                I know longer believe we can predict who has a better chance based on policy. I think it has to do with a variety of characteristics, mostly having nothing to do with governance, the most important being charisma. So, for example, if you gave me two twins to choose from, one a frothing Leftist and one a centrist, I would choose the Leftist because why not have good policy?

                I believe the idea that Dems can't run a Democratic Socialist and win because it alienates more people than it brings in is a toxin which, however it got into our bloodstream, we need to counteract. It certainly serves the interests of TPTB. Meanwhile, when we run nice safe centrists we get destroyed.

                So for me, "better" means "has the political skills to win." Clinton. Obama. Highly political creatures and tuned perfectly for their time. So, who is that today? Buttigieg is a great candidate for the center lane. I'd have said Harris was one, but I was clearly wrong. So at this point I think it's a question of finding a strong left channel candidate and slugging it out. The choices are Warren and Sanders. I think they are both excellent political candidates, but Warren may be too easy for the Nazis to put the Hillary stink on. That leaves the old, heart attacked, Mad Magazine parody of Al Lewis channeling Eugene V. Debs.

                As God is my witness, if I had to choose the best person to go up against Dump today, it would be...

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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                  Wouldnt "better" be best defined as "candidate with the best opportunity to win"?
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                    Winning needs to be defined as longer than one election cycle because we’ve seen enough instances of dems getting into power, doing nothing or going against a lot of what they campaigned on, and a huge red wave cycle in the other direction, potentially with another clown fascist cherry on top.

                    If Biden wins we can just about guarantee that happening.

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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      Winning needs to be defined as longer than one election cycle because we’ve seen enough instances of dems getting into power, doing nothing or going against a lot of what they campaigned on, and a huge red wave cycle in the other direction, potentially with another clown fascist cherry on top.

                      If Biden wins we can just about guarantee that happening.
                      Biden would be another holding action while we wait for demography to do its work. It is certainly not ideal and a passionate, activist liberal would be far preferable. However, always remember, time is on our side (yes it is). Even Biden caretaking like a sundowning Reagan is an ENORMOUS improvement over the status quo. And in the background, tick tock:

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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Biden would be another holding action while we wait for demography to do its work. It is certainly not ideal and a passionate, activist liberal would be far preferable. However, always remember, time is on our side (yes it is). Even Biden caretaking like a sundowning Reagan is an ENORMOUS improvement over the status quo.
                        This is something that trix never understands. If you think things are bad now, wait until you get another 4 years of Chump. The country will be unrecognizable.

                        I too am not a fan of Zombie Joe Biden and his Undead Campaign (it can't be killed, but it doesn't really do anything). However, the dude will stop pursing Nazi/KKK policies and not embarrass this country all over the world. No dropping to his knees whenever a dictator walks by. Given all that, sign me up for Zombiemania.
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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                          Just keep repeating to yourself:
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                          • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            This is something that trix never understands. If you think things are bad now, wait until you get another 4 years of Chump. The country will be unrecognizable.
                            Except I’m the one who has a serious proposal to avoid it and is proposing we do something different. You aren’t.

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                            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                              As for Kep’s post, assuming that non-white people will just automatically vote for lanyard liberals who do nothing to change the direction the country has gone for 40-50 years probably isn’t a good assumption. We all saw Nancy stuttering like an idiot the other day as she got shouted down by non-white people who want serious immigration reform.

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                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

                                Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                                Except I’m the one who has a serious proposal to avoid it and is proposing we do something different. You aren’t.
                                Remind me again when the last time a Dem you approved of won a Presidential election?
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