You literally offer nothing to this thread other than ad Homs directed at me so....
You literally offer nothing to this thread other than ad Homs directed at me so....
While this is my instinct I have not seen a really good statistical argument either for it or for the centrist assumption that it's the reverse. Mostly I think people rely on anecdotal evidence, which consists of, for the centrists: McGovern 1972, and for the leftists every other electoral loss of the last 50 years.
As I say, I have the same gut instinct as you -- the path to winning for us is GO LEFT. The Republicans showed us that in this ostensibly centrist country they can go literally so far right they merge with fascism and they can still win. Extremism is only bad when it's the other guy. A radical, extremist Left could flourish nationally (and of course in the blue states and compete in the purple) even considering we have to go up against not just conservative voters but also the rich who control the levers of power and the media. But my instinct, same as yours, is the way to win is to be proud, stand up, shout our values, don't apologize, and show voters we are confident and strong and we do not take any sh-t.
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So I'm going by the assumption of trix that Obama and Clinton are centrists along with Hillary, Gore, Kerry, etc. Only potted plant Kerry lost the popular vote.
In the 70's-80's which you and I lived through, centrist Dems went 1 out of 2 (Carter both times) while liberals (McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis) got fuking crushed. That's not my opinion. Those elections were blowouts. So, the historical stats back up Dem moderates vs Dem liberals in terms of winning the Presidency, using trix' definition of who's a centrist. Now of course we'll put in the obvious caveat that past results don't predict the future. However, I'd like some decent evidence that something has changed recently vs...oh I don't know...2012 when corporate conservadem Obama won his 2nd term with 51% of the vote...![]()
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My opinion, yours may vary:
72 McGovern Left Lost
76 Carter Center Won
80 Carter Center Lost
84 Mondale Left Lost
88 Dukakis Center Lost
92 Clinton Left Won
96 Clinton Center Won
00 Gore Center Lost
04 Kerry Center Lost
08 Obama Left Won
12 Obama Center Won
16 Hillary Center Lost
Left: 2-2
Center: 3-5
I move both Clinton and Obama from Left in their first election for what they ran as to Center in the re-election for their record.
I would like to point out, however that since 1984 the record is:
Left: 2-0
Center: 2-4
and both Center wins got into office in the first place by running as Left.
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Looks like I have a new book to add to The Two Income Trap as the greatest economic textbooks of our time.
https://www.amazon.com/Winners-Take-...3855339&sr=8-1
Meanwhile, our conservative friends are still reading Fountanhead for their economic ideals.
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Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984
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Acting like there weren’t any other factors that led to McGovern being crushed decades ago other than “was too left” is the exact kind of analysis I’d expect out of Rover lmfao.
Good lord, watching trix and Rover go at it is like watching the Cripple Fight from South Park
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I thought that was rube’s job lol.
LBJ was the last Democrat to run Center and govern Left. I highly recommend this strategy. The right calls anything to the left of Hitler "Communism!" anyway so bring it.
Several Republicans have run Center and governed (Far) Right: both Bushes and Dump (who ran on "a pox on both your houses" but immediately fell into lockstep with the GOP radical right agenda).
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Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.
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Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens
No. My problem with her has nothing to do with her policy positions. My problem with her is she thinks she can negotiate with terrorists. And what's funny about it is 5 minutes after she brags about being able to work with Turtle Boy she whines that he isn't allowing a vote on her bill.
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