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    Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Not really time for this stuff yet I guess but seeing as how we don't really have an NCAA tournament-related thread at this point figured I would start this thread and drop this article in the meantime:

    NCAA Denies Women’s Hockey Selection Committee Request For Additional Tournament Flight
    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...nal-tournament
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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    Not really time for this stuff yet I guess but seeing as how we don't really have an NCAA tournament-related thread at this point figured I would start this thread and drop this article in the meantime:

    NCAA Denies Women’s Hockey Selection Committee Request For Additional Tournament Flight
    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...nal-tournament
    As a further money-saving suggestion, I would propose that the first round of the tournament consists of each team completing a series of skills competitions: fastest skaters, hardest shot, wildest outfit. They could use FaceTime on one of the player's phones, so it would almost be like they were in the same location, and it wouldn't cost a thing, if they used the free wifi in the arena. This way, they could save the pesky bussing expense and have enough money left over to fly the assistant locker room attendants for the men's basketball teams to the March Madness venues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leather helmet View Post
    As a further money-saving suggestion, I would propose that the first round of the tournament consists of each team completing a series of skills competitions: fastest skaters, hardest shot, wildest outfit. They could use FaceTime on one of the player's phones, so it would almost be like they were in the same location, and it wouldn't cost a thing, if they used the free wifi in the arena. This way, they could save the pesky bussing expense and have enough money left over to fly the assistant locker room attendants for the men's basketball teams to the March Madness venues.
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leather helmet View Post
    As a further money-saving suggestion, I would propose that the first round of the tournament consists of each team completing a series of skills competitions: fastest skaters, hardest shot, wildest outfit. They could use FaceTime on one of the player's phones, so it would almost be like they were in the same location, and it wouldn't cost a thing, if they used the free wifi in the arena. This way, they could save the pesky bussing expense and have enough money left over to fly the assistant locker room attendants for the men's basketball teams to the March Madness venues.
    That is funny but I am told that is exactly what they used to do for Women's swimming back in the 40's-50's. They would swim at their own school pool and just compare the times by phone (or maybe telegraph!). So there is precedent.

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

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    NCAA Denies Women’s Hockey Selection Committee Request For Additional Tournament Flight
    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...nal-tournament
    So Abbey Strong says the committee can’t change the rules because that would entail changing the rules.
    (Having called this out, guess who didn’t miss a beat: “For Boston College, this may or may not end up being a good thing.” Luv it!)

    Let’s hope California’s attempt to blow the lid off the NCAA is successful. Lift the veil, professionalize the works, and you’ll know, among other things, who’s injured, where your coach is, and what CFO has a busload of free air miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    Let’s hope California’s attempt to blow the lid off the NCAA is successful. Lift the veil, professionalize the works, and you’ll know, among other things, who’s injured, where your coach is, and what CFO has a busload of free air miles.
    I'm not sure that change will be all positive for fringe sports such as my favorite. It might just result in less funding and fewer participating programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    So Abbey Strong says the committee can’t change the rules because that would entail changing the rules.
    Lmao yes that's a good way of saying it.

    Just to be clear, Abbey Strong is on the committee that wanted the change, and the NCAA Oversight Committee is the one that denied it.
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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    Just to be clear, Abbey Strong is on the committee that wanted the change, and the NCAA Oversight Committee is the one that denied it.
    __________________^ wants a quality NCAA W Hockey tournament ___________^ wants to keep its money or spend it on sports involving some form of ball and male participants.


    Of course, I could be misunderstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    __________________^ wants a quality NCAA W Hockey tournament ___________^ wants to keep its money or spend it on sports involving some form of ball and male participants.
    Yep that checks out

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    __________________^ wants a quality NCAA W Hockey tournament ___________^ wants to keep its money or spend it on sports involving some form of ball and male participants.


    Of course, I could be misunderstanding.
    So true, the female athlete deserves a fair and equal chance to compete. Especially at the greatest game. I will say though many of the ball sports Football/Basketball/Dodgeball(similar rules & playoff format)programs do provide the athletic departments the resources to make other sports such as Women's Hockey happen as well as well. However why battle and rank teams all year then look at what's travel friendly for playoffs?

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post

    Let’s hope California’s attempt to blow the lid off the NCAA is successful. Lift the veil, professionalize the works, and you’ll know, among other things, who’s injured, where your coach is, and what CFO has a busload of free air miles.
    How exactly is that going to help?
    It is only going to increase the divide, the 6th man on a hoops team will make out better than the PK winner in hockey.
    An example of that is last year’s March madness. At the U of M the media was saturated with the men’s hoops team, they even had TV specials. All this for a team that was the equivalent of MSU or SCSU in women’s hockey. The only question was: would they be eliminated in the first or second game?

    It was the same for football despite the fact they were a 6-6 team who were playing in an inconsequential bowl game in Detroit.

    Meanwhile the women’s hockey team couldn’t get more than 7 seconds on the late night news or a paragraph in the newspaper despite being the WCHA champs and being ranked #1 or #2 all season.

    The athletes in the major sports will get all the money, and even then it will be the major stars, the supporting players will get peanuts at best.

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    The athletes in the major sports will get all the money, and even then it will be the major stars, the supporting players will get peanuts at best.
    It will be fascinating to watch the nc$$ rationalize why male fb and bb players will get thousands a year whereas a female hockey player will get a $100 Visa card and unlimited trips to the smoothie bar of their choice.
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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    It will be fascinating to watch the nc$$ rationalize why male fb and bb players will get thousands a year whereas a female hockey player will get a $100 Visa card and unlimited trips to the smoothie bar of their choice.
    The NCAA isn't going to rationalize anything. The California law doesn't involve the universities paying the players. It just allows the athletes to use their name and likeness, which means that they can sell autographs and do endorsements. I suspect that it will involve the movement of some money from athletic department budgets, as boosters opt to give it to players rather than to the school. It will be interesting to see whether the NCAA can prevent actual boosters, who are considered representatives of the school, from doing so. I'm not sure whether that's covered in the state legislation; if not, it'll probably end up as the subject of litigation.

    So, the budgets will get squeezed. I don't expect that this will have too much effect on women's hockey, as most of the schools that play it aren't ones that are likely to see much revenue diverted to players in football and basketball, and the few that might (Minnesota; Wisconsin; BC; Penn State thanks to the targeted nature of the Pegula donation) have a strong commitment to the sport. Ohio State is the only exception to that that I see, but I suspect that it won't change much there.

    The really big question is how things are handled if/when legislation (either NCAA or governmental) opens up payment from the schools to the athletes and the latter get recognized as employees. Legally, there's an argument that once it's acknowledged that revenue generation is a significant element in how athletic departments are run (which the NCAA wouldn't have much reason to oppose if the players are considered employees), then Title IX wouldn't cover the revenue generating portions of the departments, and the huge pile of resources devoted to football might not be considered when calculating whether a school is devoting proportionate resources to female athletes. However, the specific legislation could stipulate that Title IX continues to apply even so.

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post

    The really big question is how things are handled if/when legislation (either NCAA or governmental) opens up payment from the schools to the athletes and the latter get recognized as employees. Legally, there's an argument that once it's acknowledged that revenue generation is a significant element in how athletic departments are run (which the NCAA wouldn't have much reason to oppose if the players are considered employees), then Title IX wouldn't cover the revenue generating portions of the departments, and the huge pile of resources devoted to football might not be considered when calculating whether a school is devoting proportionate resources to female athletes. However, the specific legislation could stipulate that Title IX continues to apply even so.
    you lefties certainly are entertaining

    I wonder how the owners of this website would feel if legislation were passed making posters on this forum employees
    after all, without us there is nothing to read
    they are making money on our backs
    shouldn't we be paid?

    shouldn't too, it be required that they have an equal number of posts from both men and women?
    for every post on the men's D1 forum there should be a post on women's D1

    and it goes on and on ...

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

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    The BC Interruption Pairwise, KRACH, and GRaNT calculators are now live:

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    I noticed just this morning that the USCHO Pairwise was missing a team - only 40 listed. Turned out Franklin Pierce was/is omitted.

    So you're already one up on them!

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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    I noticed just this morning that the USCHO Pairwise was missing a team - only 40 listed. Turned out Franklin Pierce was/is omitted.

    So you're already one up on them!
    As is tradition
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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    Here's a fun teaser for you all --

    I've spent the last few days building a Women's Hockey Pairwise Projector. Basically, it takes the KRACH-generated odds of each team winning each game and projects each team's final record as well as the Pairwise with those records. And I don't mean assigning the win to the team with the higher KRACH (which would, for example, make Wisconsin undefeated the rest of the way). If a team has a 70% chance of winning a game, they are given 0.7 wins and 0.3 losses in that game. It does that for every game, runs the Pairwise on those results, and gives you a post-regular-season tournament ranking.

    This will give you a much clearer idea of where teams stand in the rankings because it will take into account teams whose schedules might be front-loaded and who maybe don't have too many projected losses in the second half to knock them down (among other things). It's SUPER COOL and I'm extremely proud of it. Spoiler alert: Not looking too good for BC!!!!!!!!!

    Anyway, I'm doing some final tests, but should have it live this week!
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    Re: Fun With Numbers '19-'20: PWR, KRACH, GRaNT, and other acronyms

    This took an eternity to build (and then I had to get the file size down so that I could embed it on BCI), but here it is: Every team's KRACH-projected record and projected Pairwise Rankings:

    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...ch-frozen-four
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    This took an eternity to build (and then I had to get the file size down so that I could embed it on BCI), but here it is: Every team's KRACH-projected record and projected Pairwise Rankings:

    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...ch-frozen-four
    Thanks for your efforts!

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