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    Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Mookie alert:



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    Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

    The Lib Dems and SNP have tabled a bill calling for a 9 December election. It will only need a majority to pass. It is conditioned on the EU granting the 31 January extension. Should sail through, right?

    Both the Tories and Labour are opposed to it. Wheee!

    The Tories don't want it because it would be open to possible amendments such as Proportional Voting as opposed to First Past the Post and allowing 16 and 17-year old voters. Even if it were to pass parliament without amendments (unlikely) a member of the House of Lords has already said it will come out of that chamber with numerous amendments. That's why the Tories are trying to force through a bill under the Fixed Term Parliament Act which can't be amended and allows BoJo to set a date (he says 12 December, but nothing stops him from setting the date whenever he likes) and parliament is dissolved after it votes to accept a snap election - the PM can pull a fast one with the date and there is nothing parliament can do about it because parliament wouldn't exist. I've been researching the FTPA and found that parliament will dissolve 25 working days prior to the election - but that the PM can then postpone such an election for up to 60 days. His plan seems pretty clear:
    1) The EU allows an extension until 31 January 2020
    2) He calls for an election on 12 December. Parliament is dissolved.
    3) He postpones the election until the first week of February
    4) The UK crash out of Europe with no deal
    5) The election is held in early Febaruary, which is all kinds of advantageous for him and detrimental to all other parties.
    6) He gets a solid majority in parliament and starts selling off the UK to Sniffles and his friends while the country burns down around him.
    7) Profit.

    Labour only want an election once no deal is safely off the table. The EU should give the UK a year or two extension so the UK can have a second referendum and put all this to bed.

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    Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

    As expected the EU have agreed to a 31 January extension.

    ETA: Also as expected, the parliament just voted to reject BoJo's call for a new election under the FTPA. The SNP and Lib Dems will try (and fail) tomorrow.
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    BoJo wasn't satisfied with losing this afternoon so he's going to try yet again tonight. He has just tabled another motion for an election under the FTPA for 12 December. He must love losing votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    BoJo wasn't satisfied with losing this afternoon so he's going to try yet again tonight. He has just tabled another motion for an election under the FTPA for 12 December. He must love losing votes.
    Are you sure he won't win the vote to have the election?

    This was BoJo's plan, right? Force the vote, win it, and then push Brexit through given his new mandate?

    What determines who the Tories stand for party leader? Do they vote as a party? Do their members vote and if so just Commons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Are you sure he won't win the vote to have the election?

    This was BoJo's plan, right? Force the vote, win it, and then push Brexit through given his new mandate?

    What determines who the Tories stand for party leader? Do they vote as a party? Do their members vote and if so just Commons?
    He already lost the vote this afternoon by 136 votes. He isn't going to do any better tonight.

    As for how the Tories elect a leader, that's a longer post than I have time for right now. Maybe after work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    As for how the Tories elect a leader, that's a longer post than I have time for right now. Maybe after work.
    I can google machine it, don't worry.
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    Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

    What's the equivalent of the Mendoza line for votes in Parliament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    What's the equivalent of the Mendoza line for votes in Parliament?
    BoJo is well below now. I think he's officially 1 out of 8. The only vote he won was a procedural motion.

    Summing up today's events:

    BoJo vowed to renew his push for a 12 December general election after being denied it in the Commons. MPs voted by 299 to 70 in favour of holding the election, though that was 135 short of the two-thirds majority required by law. Later, Downing Street said the PM would seek to amend the FTPA to allow an election on that date anyway.

    BoJo's Brexit deal will not be brought back to this parliament. No 10 pledged to drop it in a bid to convince the SNP and the Lib Dems to support the push for a general election before Christmas.

    BoJo formally broke his promise to bring the UK out of the EU on 31 October. The PM accepted the bloc’s offer of a three-month extension, though Brexit could still happen before 31 January if MPs vote through a deal to leave.

    This parliament has “run its course”, Johnson said as he demanded the pre-Christmas election just a fortnight after insisting on setting out a new legislative program. No 10 claimed the Commons was to blame for the further delay to Brexit, not the prime minister.

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    Whenever there is an election whither the Brexit Party? BoJo has shown that he can't get the UK out despite his promises; and Farage & Co were not impressed by the deal BoJo did manage to wrangle together. If they choose to field candidates it could destroy the Tory party (yay!) and lead to PM Nigel Farage (****).

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    Labour are supporting the new election with amendments. Shadow cabinet was split on whether to support it or not, and reportedly there have been a raft of resignations as fallout. (Resignations from shadow cabinet, not from parliament).

    Today's first reading will pass. Tomorrow amendments will be tabled. Possible amendments include making any taxpayer eligible to vote - that means 16 and 17-year olds and that means EU nationals. EU nationals already are registered and vote in local elections, but not national ones. 16 and 17-year olds are not registered and government say there isn't time to register them before a December election. Government also oppose letting EU nationals vote. However the Commons vote on these amendments, those will almost certainly be added by the House of Lords and be on the final bill. With those amendments it may not pass the Commons and if it does, government may have to postpone the election date because it claims it is unable to register 16 and 17 yo in time.

    Never a boring day at Westminster!

    ETA: Parliament is now discussing whether Speaker Bercow should extend his service until the dissolution next week or if the vote for a new speaker should proceed on Monday. Bercow has said he does not want to extend his service past 31 October but will decide after consulting with the current candidates for Speaker. Of course, if there is no election this year then it turns out to be irrelevant.
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    Government have proposed not allowing amendments on the bill. An MP has proposed an amendment to the government's business motion to allow those amendments. The Commons is now debating. Bercow has warned MPs that the second reading of the bill has to happen within four hours and to limit debate. There is a real time crunch to get this done before the 25 working day limit. There is no such rush in the House of Lords, and nothing preventing them from amending the bill however it pleases. My guess is there won't be an election until the New Year, but we'll see.

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    The Cressey Amendment passes 312-295. That means the election bill is open for amendments.

    That's also another in the "L" column for BoJo.

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    The amendment changing the election date to 9 December has been selected and will be voted upon. The amendments allowing 16 and 17-year olds and EU nationals to vote were not selected. It will be very interesting to see if the HoL adds them anyway.

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    Things are happening fast. Reports are the 9 December election date is a go, but the SNP and Lib Dems say 11 December and at least one Tory MP is still saying 12 December. It's a fustercluck.

    BoJo has restored the whip to 10 Tory MP's, most notably Nicholas Soames and Stephen Hammond; most notably NOT to Kenneth Clarke.

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    To sum up the day's events:
    Parliament rejected election dates of 9 and 11 December but approved 12 December. The date is fixed so BoJo can't change it once parliament is dissolved.
    The House of Lords are expected to either wave the bill through or attach some sticky amendments to it. Both outcomes seem equally likely now. The HoL might decide to let the lower house do whatever it wants.
    Parliament will dissolve next Wednesday. It is unknown at this time whether the new speaker will be chosen on Monday as scheduled or if that will have to wait until after the election.
    10 Tories who had the whip removed have had it restored. Among the 11 not welcomed back are the aforementioned Ken Clarke as well as Dominic Grieve and Rory Stewart.
    In case there wasn't enough drama surrounding this, someone pointed out that the election might happen in the middle of a strike by the postal workers. The head of the CWU said "Lots of people asking if postal workers would take strike action during a general election. To be clear - we will do whatever it takes to defend our members."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Parliament rejected election dates of 9 and 11 December but approved 12 December.
    Was this because of different amendments placed on them respectively? Or are they superstitious about odd numbers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Was this because of different amendments placed on them respectively? Or are they superstitious about odd numbers?
    They might be superstitious! But it was because if they chose earlier dates parliament would be dissolved before it has a chance to pass a budget for Northern Ireland.

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    Today marks the end of Bercow's speakership. The election to replace him will go ahead Monday.

    At last count nearly 60 MPs have said they will not stand for re-election, double the number from 2017 but not as high as 2015 or 2010.

    In the eight weeks ending 27 October almost 2 million people across the UK had registered to vote. Nearly 60% of those aged 18-34. Then on Wednesday alone government reports there were an additional 177,000 applications, almost entirely from people aged 18-34. A group calling itself "FckBoris" is taking credit for driving voter registration. Hard to determine where those politics lie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Today marks the end of Bercow's speakership. The election to replace him will go ahead Monday.

    At last count nearly 60 MPs have said they will not stand for re-election, double the number from 2017 but not as high as 2015 or 2010.

    In the eight weeks ending 27 October almost 2 million people across the UK had registered to vote. Nearly 60% of those aged 18-34. Then on Wednesday alone government reports there were an additional 177,000 applications, almost entirely from people aged 18-34. A group calling itself "FckBoris" is taking credit for driving voter registration. Hard to determine where those politics lie...
    Do the Brits do motor/voter / automatic registration, etc?
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