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  • #31
    Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
    Corbyn said any Brexit vote will not be whipped, so Labour MPs will be free to vote either way.
    Is that strictly for the optics vis-a-vis BoJo's Tory purge? Or is it self-preservation?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Is that strictly for the optics vis-a-vis BoJo's Tory purge? Or is it self-preservation?
      There are several Labour MPs whose constituencies voted for Leave. Plus Corbyn himself is anti-EU (just not in favor of leaving) so he isn't in any position to force MPs on this issue. Brexit has torn both the Tory and Labour parties to shreds.

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      • #33
        Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

        An IRA member appeared on Channel 4 News from an unknown location, wearing a hood, with his words spoken by an actor. He said that any infrastructure would become a "legitimate target" for the IRA. They do not see the border as an Irish border, but a British border (whether in Ireland or in the Irish Sea) and the English are illegally occupying a portion of Ireland.

        Also, government confirms no Brexit deal will be agreed tonight. He must have proposed something in addition to moving the border from Northern Ireland to the Irish Sea. Whatever it is, the Europeans aren't having it.

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        • #34
          Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

          Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
          An IRA member appeared on Channel 4 News from an unknown location, wearing a hood, with his words spoken by an actor. He said that any infrastructure would become a "legitimate target" for the IRA. They do not see the border as an Irish border, but a British border (whether in Ireland or in the Irish Sea) and the English are illegally occupying a portion of Ireland.
          Just one of the many freedoms the people will gain, joe tells us.

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          • #35
            Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

            Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is demanding another independence vote happen in 2020, rather than waiting until 2022. Polls now have independence at 50/50. As with Labour and the Tories, the Brexit issue has infected politics in Scotland as well. It used to be pretty straightforward if you were a Unionist or a Nationalist. Now you have people on both sides with split loyalties on Brexit. Things should settle down once Brexit is resolved, but with 62% of Scotland voting to remain in the EU (a percentage which grows larger every day) independence is almost guaranteed if the UK follow through and leave.

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            • #36
              Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

              Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
              Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is demanding another independence vote happen in 2020, rather than waiting until 2022. Polls now have independence at 50/50. As with Labour and the Tories, the Brexit issue has infected politics in Scotland as well. It used to be pretty straightforward if you were a Unionist or a Nationalist. Now you have people on both sides with split loyalties on Brexit. Things should settle down once Brexit is resolved, but with 62% of Scotland voting to remain in the EU (a percentage which grows larger every day) independence is almost guaranteed if the UK follow through and leave.
              I'm glad it puts them on the record. Just another (entirely forseeable) consequence of the English version of the Dump Tantrum.
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              • #37
                Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                The DUP released a statement this morning that it cannot support the Brexit plan. This was always going to be the case. Unionists can't be swayed like the ERG by a promise that a yes vote will lead to no deal because it can't abide no deal either. There simply is no good answer to the Northern Ireland problem.

                As expected, the ERG is 100% on board with whatever plan Boris puts before parliament. This will come as no surprise at all if you've read this thread but the British media seem perplexed. It isn't that difficult to figure out, you morons. If I could see this ploy weeks ago so should you.

                BoJo is en route to Brussels for the summit. Any deal has to be agreed to by 2pm local time to allow for printing the deal and the EU leaders to formally respond. Parliament would then take up the deal Friday or Saturday. Macron is twisting the knife a little more, insisting that BoJo must concede that EU (read: France) will have unfettered access to UK waters for fishing.

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                • #38
                  Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                  Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                  Macron is twisting the knife a little more, insisting that BoJo must concede that EU (read: France) will have unfettered access to UK waters for fishing.
                  parliament must be so proud to help the eu 'negotiate' here
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                    parliament must be so proud to help the eu 'negotiate' here
                    Not sure how you can blame parliament but OK. There was never going to be an acceptable deal. I know you can't or won't accept it, but the voters were sold a fantasy that somehow the UK would go from membership in a powerful trading bloc to single entity at a fraction of the size and yet still gain influence and wealth - and not just gain them, but get them overnight. That the issue of the border in Ireland would magically be solved, allegedly by technology although experts say that technology is a decade away. If the technology is ready and the resolution so simple, why have May and BoJo not deployed such technology on the island? Why have we not seen this wonderful technology at work, with BoJo and his Brexiteers trumpeting the success of such a system? Because it only exists in the imagination not reality. The entire campaign was a lie and the UK version of the FEC stated that if this were a binding resolution it would have thrown out the results, ordered a new election and chucked most of the Leave campaigners into jail. Considering it is a non-binding resolution it is baffling they are still going forward with it.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                      These negotiations are a farce anyway. BoJo isn't looking for a deal. He wants a piece of paper he can put before parliament before he has to comply with the Benn Act. The odds remain high that no deal will be reached today and he'll have to fish May's deal from the waste bin and put that up.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                        Breaking: there has been a breakthrough and a deal reached. It will go to EU leaders for agreement. If they agree it goes to parliament. No word yet on what the deal includes.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                          Barnier says deal will go through 2022.

                          In a surprise to no one, Corbyn says the deal is worse than May's. We still have not seen details.

                          The DUP say it still rejects the deal.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                            There won't be agreement today

                            Barnier says there will be “no ratification at the council” today.

                            The council will be able to give a favourable opinion on the recommendation, and on the draft agreement. It is a draft, he stresses.

                            He says the council has to formally agree the agreement after the European parliament has ratified it.

                            He says there should be “no surprises” here.

                            He says he has done what he has done to ensure member states are well informed.

                            He says he believes it can be ratified by 31 October.
                            The updated agreement. 64 pages. It is May's deal with a few changes in Ireland.
                            https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...rn_ireland.pdf

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                              Not sure how you can blame parliament but OK. There was never going to be an acceptable deal. I know you can't or won't accept it, but the voters were sold a fantasy that somehow the UK would go from membership in a powerful trading bloc to single entity at a fraction of the size and yet still gain influence and wealth - and not just gain them, but get them overnight. That the issue of the border in Ireland would magically be solved, allegedly by technology although experts say that technology is a decade away. If the technology is ready and the resolution so simple, why have May and BoJo not deployed such technology on the island? Why have we not seen this wonderful technology at work, with BoJo and his Brexiteers trumpeting the success of such a system? Because it only exists in the imagination not reality. The entire campaign was a lie and the UK version of the FEC stated that if this were a binding resolution it would have thrown out the results, ordered a new election and chucked most of the Leave campaigners into jail. Considering it is a non-binding resolution it is baffling they are still going forward with it.
                              They should just leave. If both sides can’t agree on a deal, oh well.

                              Not sure how you are comfortable trying to make excuses cause someone was sold a line that they fell for when voting, or that people didn’t go and vote. The vote was held and these are the results.
                              Horrible outcome, but votes have consequences.

                              So c’est la vie
                              Plus you can shortly move to Scotland and set up shop
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                              • #45
                                Re: Brexit 2: Happy Halloween

                                Government will publish legal advice this afternoon. The agreement will be put to a vote on Saturday. All according to plan...

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