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  • #691
    Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
    I hope you are right... but I suspect Warren faces the same fate as Hillary. The "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...

    I wish we were seeing the Biden of 2012...
    You, and your fellow deplorables, will come out in full force regardless. Your king is being threatened.
    But that's still only 35% of voters. And swing voters aren't a thing anymore. Trump has made it so you're either all in or all out.

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    • #692
      Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

      Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
      IThe "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...
      On this, two things:

      1. The Deplorables don't matter. They are GOP ride or die. They are an obstacle in the physical landscape, not voters up for grabs. We should never give them a thought either way.

      2. You know who won't win OH/MI/WI/PA "economic anxiety" rural whites? Obama. And yet he won handily twice. The key is to open up the voter pool by appealing to people who are energized by attacks on the systemic class problems in this country. When we choose a centrist we throw cold water on all that. That is the Plutes protecting their loot by getting us to self-censor, and the consequence is we wither as a party while the right becomes bolder, more fascistic, and more powerful and energetic. Here's the thing about Dump: he's not boring.
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      • #693
        Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

        Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
        You, and your fellow deplorables, will come out in full force regardless. Your king is being threatened.
        But that's still only 35% of voters. And swing voters aren't a thing anymore. Trump has made it so you're either all in or all out.
        This. Every new voter now is a Democrat. Every possible Republican has been squeezed out of the tar sands of the Deplorables by the Republicans' full press of racism, xenophobia, and anti-intellectualism. Every zombie has been mobilized -- the non-voters who are left are ours if we just reach for them.

        cF I could have sworn that way back you were a rightie? Am I mistaken or have you made the jump over the years?
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        • #694
          Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          This. Every new voter now is a Democrat. Every possible Republican has been squeezed out of the tar sands of the Deplorables by the Republicans' full press of racism, xenophobia, and anti-intellectualism. Every zombie has been mobilized -- the non-voters who are left are ours if we just reach for them.
          Not true. Susan Rice has admitted that she has raised a new fresh Republican in her own house.
          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • #695
            Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

            Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
            Pierre Jr
            Beg pardon? Do you mean the Great White North?

            BTW if you haven't I suggest everybody watch the Patriot Act where Minhaj interviews Trudeau. It's amazing.
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            • #696
              Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

              Regarding Warren and the Native American issue, I think that would matter more if everyone in the country was fat and happy and had the leisure time to engage in such nonsense. I mentioned previous this sort of slander worked like charm in 1988 against a guy with no known skeletons in his closet, while Goopernazi's did the same thing in 1992 against a candidate with a lot more material to work with and the voters dismissed it. I don't see the electorate as being fat and happy next year. They seem much more anxious about the country's future.
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              • #697
                Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                Not true. Susan Rice has admitted that she has raised a new fresh Republican in her own house.
                That was a really good episode but did you think Tyson was just going through the motions? He's usually way more up. Last Friday he looked like he was just there for the check.
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                • #698
                  Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                  Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  Regarding Warren and the Native American issue
                  I literally can't see anybody giving a sh-t about the Pocahontas thing except for the twelve people on Kos who are professionally outraged about identity.
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                  • #699
                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    cF I could have sworn that way back you were a rightie? Am I mistaken or have you made the jump over the years?
                    I was and I've definitely moved significantly left to where Warren is my preferred candidate. Since 2009, I have had much more in common socially with the democratic party. But it took some years to realize the picture of the Republican party I had in my mind was nowhere close to what the Republican party actually is.

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                    • #700
                      Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      That was a really good episode but did you think Tyson was just going through the motions? He's usually way more up. Last Friday he looked like he was just there for the check.
                      Tyson wasn't on his game. It's a weird show though. They only have an hour and he doesn't really give any of his guests a lot of room. Howard Stern went way over the week before and cut everyone else's time considerably.
                      **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #701
                        Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                        Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
                        I was and I've definitely moved significantly left to where Warren is my preferred candidate. Since 2009, I have had much more in common socially with the democratic party. But it took some years to realize the picture of the Republican party I had in my mind was nowhere close to what the Republican party actually is.
                        Good man!

                        Stories like yours give me hope. The "conservative" lie (in reality not conservative at all) is seductive, effective and in many parts of the country virtually unchallenged. It takes an impressive person to change.
                        Last edited by Kepler; 10-21-2019, 09:20 AM.
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                        • #702
                          Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                          The 2020 disinformation campaign has begun

                          Also, this just about puts a fork in Mayor Pete for me.

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                          • #703
                            Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                            Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
                            You, and your fellow deplorables, will come out in full force regardless. Your king is being threatened.

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                            • #704
                              Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                              Also, this just about puts a fork in Mayor Pete for me.
                              possibly meaningless: "the employees asked the tech mogul and Chan to recommend them."

                              I know they don't want Warren, but do they really think longshot Pete would be a good place for them to hedge their bets?
                              Last edited by BassAle; 10-21-2019, 10:39 AM.

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                              • #705
                                Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                Tyson wasn't on his game. It's a weird show though. They only have an hour and he doesn't really give any of his guests a lot of room. Howard Stern went way over the week before and cut everyone else's time considerably.
                                The AEI woman was clueless; I wanted to remove her from the show and just put Rice there.

                                And my god, is Rice running for president someday or what? That could have been a launch announcement it was so blatant.
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