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  • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

    Sad to see Pittsburgh folded in your future alignment.
    Go Green! Go White! Go State!

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    • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

      Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
      Sad to see Pittsburgh folded in your future alignment.
      Aha! That's who I forgot, thank you! That screws up enough though that we'll need to move some teams around.
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      NL
      
      Montreal (exp)
      New York
      Philadelphia
      Washington
      
      Chicago
      Cincinnati
      Milwaukee 
      Pittsburgh
      
      Atlanta
      Miami
      St. Louis
      Tampa (mov)
      
      Arizona
      Los Angeles
      San Diego
      San Francisco
      
      
      AL
      
      Baltimore
      Boston
      New York
      Toronto
      
      Cleveland
      Chicago
      Detroit
      Minnesota
      
      Colorado (mov)
      Houston
      Kansas City
      Texas
      
      Anaheim
      Las Vegas (exp)
      Oakland
      Seattle

      Better?
      Last edited by Kepler; 10-16-2019, 11:36 AM.
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        Also, based on the current rumors, I would think LV and Montreal are more relocation areas than expansion cities.

        Oakland to Vegas
        Tampa to Montreal

        Expansion to Raleigh/Carolina
        Expansion to Nashville

        AL:
        East - BAL, BOS, MTL, NYY
        South - TEX, HOU, KC, NSH
        North - DET, TOR, CHW, CLE
        West - LAA, LV, SEA, MIN

        NL:
        East - PIT, PHI, NYM, WSH
        South - ATL, CAR, MIA, CIN
        North - CHC, MIL, STL, CO
        West - LAD, SD, SF, AZ

        Don’t like the Twins out west, but they get squeezed.
        For rivalry purposes I would rather flip the Reds and Rockies.
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        • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

          Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
          Also, based on the current rumors, I would think LV and Montreal are more relocation areas than expansion cities.

          Oakland to Vegas
          Tampa to Montreal

          Expansion to Raleigh/Carolina
          Expansion to Nashville
          I'll buy your moves. I can't see both those expansion sites.

          Here are the current holes:

          1. New York, could support a third team (might even support four) but that gains nothing for MLB and cuts the pie which neither incumbent will permit.
          18. Orlando, with Tampa leaving this is a gaping hole but FL baseball seems to have very bad ROI so let's nix it.
          20. Sacramento, with Oakland leaving this becomes even more attractive. A possibility.
          22. Portland, as a lover of Portland: for hockey, yes, but they have better things to do in those few summer months.
          23. Charlotte, a very strong contender and likely a lock.
          25. Raleigh, knocked out by Charlotte.
          27. Nashville, I don't see what it adds with Charlotte in and the future is West.
          28. Indianapolis, see Nashville.
          30. Salt Lake City, another strong possibility and a great rival to Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Colorado.
          31. San Antonio, another great choice and Texas can certainly support 3 teams.

          I'd personally go with Charlotte and San Antonio, but it will come down to which cities will bend over for MLB the most abjectly.
          Last edited by Kepler; 10-16-2019, 11:54 AM.
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            I wish Minnesota would get a pro team.
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              $*@&$^$ To get local 4x4 matchups, we're going to have to adopt the DH across MLB, aren't we?

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              NSH MIA ATL CIN
              PIT CLE TOR DET
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              TEX HOU STL KC
              COL SAN LV AZ
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                Originally posted by aparch View Post
                $*@&$^$ To get local 4x4 matchups, we're going to have to adopt the DH across MLB, aren't we?
                Over my dead body.

                If we really wanted to max out rivalries we'd have to essentially eliminate the leagues, and, once again, OMDB.

                There could come a day when NY/NY, LA/LA, and Chi/Chi are each intradivisional, but on that day the AL and NL cease to be.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Over my dead body.

                  If we really wanted to max out rivalries we'd have to essentially eliminate the leagues, and, once again, OMDB.
                  This is a hill I will stand side by side and defend to the death with you. And my team has played in both leagues in the modern era.
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                    Separating the Cubs and Cardinals? Really?

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                      My ideal scenario is contract the Florida teams and go with two 7 team divisions, top two in each division make the playoffs. But contraction is no longer on the table like it was 15 years ago, nor would be reducing the number of playoff teams now that they added a second wild card.
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                      • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                        Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                        My ideal scenario is contract the Florida teams and go with two 7 team divisions, top two in each division make the playoffs. But contraction is no longer on the table like it was 15 years ago, nor would be reducing the number of playoff teams now that they added a second wild card.
                        I mean my ideal scenario is to go back to 1973, even though this eliminates my Mariners.
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                          Originally posted by unofan View Post
                          Separating the Cubs and Cardinals? Really?
                          You're right, that's not going to fly. There are three pairings that have to stay in division no matter what:

                          1. LA/SF
                          2. Chi/StL
                          3. NY/Bos

                          Likewise those 6 teams must stay in their historical leagues no matter what.

                          In all honesty you could probably just contract everybody else and just play with those 6. I don't think anybody is going to miss Cleveland or Cincinnati, let alone any post-1901 latecomer.
                          Last edited by Kepler; 10-16-2019, 12:10 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            I mean my ideal scenario is to go back to 1973, even though this eliminates my Mariners.
                            Whew. My Brewers, and the theft of the Pilots, still make the cut.

                            Boy you really hate baseball in Washington DC, don't you?
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                            • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                              Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                              Also, based on the current rumors, I would think LV and Montreal are more relocation areas than expansion cities.

                              Oakland to Vegas
                              Tampa to Montreal

                              Expansion to Raleigh/Carolina
                              Expansion to Nashville

                              AL:
                              East - BAL, BOS, MTL, NYY
                              South - TEX, HOU, KC, NSH
                              North - DET, TOR, CHW, CLE
                              West - LAA, LV, SEA, MIN

                              NL:
                              East - PIT, PHI, NYM, WSH
                              South - ATL, CAR, MIA, CIN
                              North - CHC, MIL, STL, CO
                              West - LAD, SD, SF, AZ

                              Don’t like the Twins out west, but they get squeezed.
                              For rivalry purposes I would rather flip the Reds and Rockies.
                              Ish. Absolutely not.

                              Also, you can't call it the north when the northernmost team is in the west. SOrry, two most northern teams.
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                              • Re: MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

                                Originally posted by aparch View Post
                                Whew. My Brewers, and the theft of the Pilots, still make the cut.

                                Boy you really hate baseball in Washington DC, don't you?
                                Actually I like it. It's the only relocation since KC to Oakland I accept, although I miss Montreal.

                                If you reduced baseball to teams whose existence I acknowledge as metaphysically valuable you'd have:

                                NL

                                Brooklyn Dodgers
                                Chicago Cubs
                                New York Giants
                                St. Louis Cardinals

                                AL

                                Detroit Tigers
                                New York Yankees
                                Philadelphia Athletics
                                Washington Senators

                                8 teams would make for some pretty awesome lineups and rotations.

                                If you insist on adding any more clubs then we can expand with

                                Pittsburgh Pirates
                                Cincinnati Reds

                                Boston Red Sox
                                Baltimore Orioles (another move I accept)

                                TBH, those 6 on 6 would make for a perfect MLB from my POV.

                                This year's standings (taking the Twins for the real Senators):

                                Code:
                                NL
                                
                                106-56 Brooklyn
                                91-71 St. Louis
                                84-78 Chicago
                                77-85 New York
                                75-87 Cincinnati
                                69-93 Pittsburgh
                                
                                
                                AL
                                
                                103-59 New York
                                101-62 Washington
                                97-65 Philadelphia
                                84-78 Boston
                                54-108 Baltimore
                                47-114 Detroit
                                Average wins per team 82. Almost a perfect representative sample.
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