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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I mourn what was tossed in the dustbin following V2. 1900 years of history were tossed in favor of something new and improved, like New Coke.

    At least we still say (until recently it seems) "No."
    Well, wasn't the First Council of Nicaea basically a political convention held 300 years after Jesus' life to determine the nature of God? Religion is man-made, joe, always subject to revision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I mourn what was tossed in the dustbin following V2. 1900 years of history were tossed in favor of something new and improved, like New Coke.

    At least we still say (until recently it seems) "No."
    Bless your heart.

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    I drifted away when the kid-diddler scandal was swept under the rug the first time. As I entered my 20s and my politics changed, I looked back on the church's doctrinal positions, and they are no longer compatible with what I consider to be the facts of science and the realities of daily life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Well, wasn't the First Council of Nicaea basically a political convention held 300 years after Jesus' life to determine the nature of God? Religion is man-made, joe, always subject to revision.
    guys, everyone knows the church was immutable until V2 -- everything was set in stone and unchanging for 1900 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I mourn what was tossed in the dustbin following V2. 1900 years of history were tossed in favor of something new and improved, like New Coke.

    At least we still say (until recently it seems) "No."
    Something tells you worship Catholicism itself, and in that, you worship what was instead of what is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    guys, everyone knows the church was immutable until V2 -- everything was set in stone and unchanging for 1900 years
    God just keeps changing His mind and coincidentally he stays on the side of whoever is the most powerful coercive force at any given moment.
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    God just keeps changing His mind and coincidentally he stays on the side of whoever is the most power coercive force at any given moment.
    Also, I'm pretty sure joe thinks on the same line as this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Something tells you worship Catholicism itself, and in that, you worship what was instead of what is.
    I worship God in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost/Spirit thru His Church.

    Catholicism is the perfect representation of God's plan. The idiots running things since the Edict of Milan in 314 have confused temporal power with spiritual power. Oh some have understood that the Kingdom is not of this world, but many have come to love the trappings of power and live like kings and princes.

    However, for all Her faults, we have the promises of Christ to Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I worship God in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost/Spirit thru His Church.

    Catholicism is the perfect representation of God's plan. The idiots running things since the Edict of Milan in 314 have confused temporal power with spiritual power. Oh some have understood that the Kingdom is not of this world, but many have come to love the trappings of power and live like kings and princes.

    However, for all Her faults, we have the promises of Christ to Peter.
    You've already called Catholicsm the "one true faith," basically labeling people like me heretics.
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    At least with Episcopalians, we don't have such a ****ing ego that screams "we're the be all, end all of Christianity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    At least with Episcopalians, we don't have such a ****ing ego that screams "we're the be all, end all of Christianity."
    Joe thinks he’s funny in the political threads. He’s not. But his last post here is actually the funniest thing he’s ever said on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Catholicism is the perfect representation of God's plan.
    ergo the Pope is infallible. so how do you explain your hatred of Francis?

    certainly if god has a plan, it would include Francis becoming Pope.

    (Edit: I think you have me on ignore, so I guess I won't get a response)
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    That's the embarrassment for conservative Catholics. When JP2 was pope they excoriated liberal Catholics for being deviant on doctrinal matters because "the Pope is the voice of the church, you can't just pick and choose." But now that F1 is pope it turns out there's an escape clause.

    Conservative claims like inerrancy, original intent, and strict construction are self-serving casuistries concealing radical right wing social engineering.
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    Re: Religion: Catholics, Episcopalians, Atheists, All Are Welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    ergo the Pope is infallible. so how do you explain your hatred of Francis?
    Only infallible on matters of faith and morals.

    Ergo, when Francis pontificates on political issues (such as the Trump border wall), he's not infallible.

    It's worth noting, while Francis has given lip service to more compassion for LGBT+ folks, he hasn't exactly made sweeping doctrinal changes on the matter. The way Joe sometimes talks, you'd think the guy had singlehandedly issued a landmark papal bull legitimizing same-sex marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Only infallible on matters of faith and morals.
    Ergo, when Francis pontificates on political issues (such as the Trump border wall), he's not infallible.
    all political issues are moral issues

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    God just keeps changing His mind and coincidentally he stays on the side of whoever is the most power coercive force at any given moment.
    God is no fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I drifted away when the kid-diddler scandal was swept under the rug the first time. As I entered my 20s and my politics changed, I looked back on the church's doctrinal positions, and they are no longer compatible with what I consider to be the facts of science and the realities of daily life.
    Not to mention the church is not compatible with good morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    He's the smart money.
    Omniscience helps.

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    Re: Religion: Catholics, Episcopalians, Atheists, All Are Welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Only infallible on matters of faith and morals.

    Ergo, when Francis pontificates on political issues (such as the Trump border wall), he's not infallible.

    It's worth noting, while Francis has given lip service to more compassion for LGBT+ folks, he hasn't exactly made sweeping doctrinal changes on the matter. The way Joe sometimes talks, you'd think the guy had singlehandedly issued a landmark papal bull legitimizing same-sex marriage.
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    all political issues are moral issues
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    Not to mention the church is not compatible with good morals.
    Francis has paid lip service, yes. But the church still thinks I and my trans family are running around destroying creation. joe has openly told me "it's a lifestyle" that he "disagrees with." The church hasn't moved on THE BAY-BEEZ! So he should feel right at home in the Catholic church.
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