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  • #76
    Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
    We can do it one of three ways. We can let our elected representatives in Congress and the state legislatures pass the laws. Or we can let nine lifetime appointments on the Supreme Court tell us what the law should be. Or, we just let Trump do it, or whoever happens to hold the office of President. Your choice sunshine.
    As far as I know the Supreme Court has never passed any laws. Try again.
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    • #77
      Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
      I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think a decision by Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or anyone else on that court concluding that sex orientation is not covered in the old definition is a sign of partisanship. People on this board, including you, have talked about how this state or that doesn't identify sex orientation as a protected category in the human rights statutes in the state where they reside. Yet I'm going to guess most of those states have a "sex discrimination" statute. It seems like it is a legislative solution. Just my two cents.
      It's true that when the statute was adopted 50 years ago people didn't think of sexual preference as part of the definition of sex.

      But we do now, so that ends it.

      You are saying something like this: "all the laws we passed about people prior to the 13th Amendment didn't assume blacks were included. So even though the 13th Amendment includes blacks as people all those old laws still only apply to whites."

      Nope. Laws* change their meaning retroactively all the time. This is reason #681 why "original intent" isn't a legal theory, it's a fig leaf for right wing social engineering. There is nothing neutral about tying the precise scope of a statute to its original meaning for the people of its time: it specifically arrests social growth at that time for the political benefit of people who want to see change frozen.

      The world changes. Often it improves. The people of today are not held as prisoners of the prejudices and stupidities of people of the past -- we've got our own new ones to enjoy!


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      • #78
        Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        Or, in this case, cheaters.
        um....mookie thought you were a patsies fan now?
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        • #79
          Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
          um....mookie thought you were a patsies fan now?
          Don't you dare suggest there was anything improper in anything Belichick or the Pats have done. We are the most honest team ever.
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          • #80
            Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            It's true that when the statute was adopted 50 years ago people didn't think of sexual preference as part of the definition of sex.
            no, it IS different now. then it was 'sex' as in men and women. today that is 'gender'. 'sex' now is as in who one wishes to have sex with. so using 'sex discrimination' isn't what the laws were meant to defend. we now as a nation need new laws to protect 'sex choice' from being discriminated as a group. or just new 'anti discrimination' laws en masse
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            • #81
              Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

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              • #82
                Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                no, it IS different now. then it was 'sex' as in men and women. today that is 'gender'. 'sex' now is as in who one wishes to have sex with. so using 'sex discrimination' isn't what the laws were meant to defend. we now as a nation need new laws to protect 'sex choice' from being discriminated as a group. or just new 'anti discrimination' laws en masse
                No, it's not different now. Gender is not black and white. Never has been. Science finally figured that out, now the law needs to apply as it was originally written.
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                • #83
                  Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  it IS different now. then it was 'sex' as in men and women. today that is 'gender'. 'sex' now is as in who one wishes to have sex with.
                  This is partially correct.

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  so using 'sex discrimination' isn't what the laws were meant to defend. we now as a nation need new laws to protect 'sex choice' from being discriminated as a group. or just new 'anti discrimination' laws en masse
                  This is entirely incorrect. The intent of the original law was to prohibit discrimination on the basis of biological sex. However, our comprehension of sex is now much more advanced and we understand its scope to include many other things: partner preference, self-identification, etc. However, that is all still sex. Therefore the original statute is sufficient to compel protection of all those rights.

                  You don't have to keep adding rights specifically for a protected class once its established. They are protected as they become part of the definition of membership in that class. We didn't have to add new amendments to cover the right of free speech on telephones or the internet -- they are covered under the definition of "speech" even though the Founders could not have imagined the new media. Such is it with the redefinition of "sex."

                  Societies get to declare their own rules through common usage. That is a political process but the few stragglers who didn't get the memo don't get to declare they are forever the default. That's not how living civilizations work.
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                  • #84
                    Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    No, it's not different now. Gender is not black and white. Never has been. Science finally figured that out, now the law needs to apply as it was originally written.
                    if it was written correctly in its origin, it would not be in question
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                    • #85
                      Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                      Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                      if it was written correctly in its origin, it would not be in question
                      LOL. What planet are you living on exactly?
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                      • #86
                        Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        LOL. What planet are you living on exactly?
                        planet of the apes
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                        • #87
                          Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          It's true that when the statute was adopted 50 years ago people didn't think of sexual preference as part of the definition of sex.

                          But we do now, so that ends it.

                          You are saying something like this: "all the laws we passed about people prior to the 13th Amendment didn't assume blacks were included. So even though the 13th Amendment includes blacks as people all those old laws still only apply to whites."

                          Nope. Laws* change their meaning retroactively all the time. This is reason #681 why "original intent" isn't a legal theory, it's a fig leaf for right wing social engineering. There is nothing neutral about tying the precise scope of a statute to its original meaning for the people of its time: it specifically arrests social growth at that time for the political benefit of people who want to see change frozen.

                          The world changes. Often it improves. The people of today are not held as prisoners of the prejudices and stupidities of people of the past -- we've got our own new ones to enjoy!


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                          If it's that clear, then why do cities and states continue to adopt sexual orientation as a protected category separate and apart from sex discrimination?
                          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                          • #88
                            Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                            Non-unanimous jury conviction? What in the actual ****?
                            Here's a link to an article on the subject.
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                            • #89
                              Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              So, Majority Rules then? Cause that legislation will never pass Congress. Hell, Abortion was decided by the Supreme Court in 1973 and in many places in this country a woman still does not have the right to choose.

                              Try again.
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                              • #90
                                Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                If it's that clear, then why do cities and states continue to adopt sexual orientation as a protected category separate and apart from sex discrimination?
                                Because there's one entire political party devoted to scuttling these rights in order to make hay with the rubes, so they are covering their bases.

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