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    I am a little dismayed at the production of the 2 & 3 lines. I wonder watt MJ will do to try and get those players going. Can they afford to break up the top line? Not this weekend, but it might be worth a try the 4 games after this epic series.

    Rowe was a little shaky playing D last weekend; she had some clumsy moments and with a team with more speed those moments will be amplified. She's just not as smooth as the other D. I'd rather see Edwards get all the ice time to accelerate her development. Grant has been un-noticeable as a Fr D.
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    Rowe was a little shaky playing D last weekend; she had some clumsy moments and with a team with more speed those moments will be amplified. She's just not as smooth as the other D. I'd rather see Edwards get all the ice time to accelerate her development. Grant has been un-noticeable as a Fr D.
    LaMantia, on the other hand, just looks better and better, IMO.

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    LaMantia, on the other hand, just looks better and better, IMO.
    Absolutely. She has certainly helped fill the Rolfes/Gardner void.
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    Wisconsin certainly didn't play poorly this weekend as they did have stretches of dominance but very little to show for it. Maybe this is the concern some of you have expressed with the lineup having one line doing the majority of the scoring and what can happen if they essentially get shut down.
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    Wisconsin certainly didn't play poorly this weekend as they did have stretches of dominance but very little to show for it. Maybe this is the concern some of you have expressed with the lineup having one line doing the majority of the scoring and what can happen if they essentially get shut down.
    Any feedback on how they played is welcome. Is it fair tot say they played better Sunday than Saturday? MJ said after game 1 he didn't like how they played between the blue lines; they gave a lot of pucks away. That seemed to be what I saw against BSU as well. One other thing I am interested in learning more about is Norby playing with Greig. Did they spot Norby onto the 4th line? MJ has said in the past he has liked Greig's game quite a bit.

    Now a bye week. They certainly have things to clean up. I'd love someone to ask MJ if the LIU series actually set them back a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Any feedback on how they played is welcome. Is it fair tot say they played better Sunday than Saturday? MJ said after game 1 he didn't like how they played between the blue lines; they gave a lot of pucks away. That seemed to be what I saw against BSU as well. One other thing I am interested in learning more about is Norby playing with Greig. Did they spot Norby onto the 4th line? MJ has said in the past he has liked Greig's game quite a bit.

    Now a bye week. They certainly have things to clean up. I'd love someone to ask MJ if the LIU series actually set them back a bit.
    Saturday, the Badgers were more than a little sloppy and careless with the puck in the D end - obviously I jinxed LaMantia this week :-( - and the Gophers made them pay for it. But Minnesota was quicker to the puck all over the ice. Not by 'a lot', but clearly they were the better team. Sunday was very even, and with just a bit of 'puck luck' either could have won. Minn was better early, UW was better late, but again not by a lot. Tracking line combinations was tough in internet stream; I was surprised to see that Greig was the one who got the goal off Norby's pass. No idea if that was a 'regular' thing later in the game or a one time mid-line-change occurance.

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    Saturday, the Badgers were more than a little sloppy and careless with the puck in the D end - obviously I jinxed LaMantia this week :-( - and the Gophers made them pay for it. But Minnesota was quicker to the puck all over the ice. Not by 'a lot', but clearly they were the better team. Sunday was very even, and with just a bit of 'puck luck' either could have won. Minn was better early, UW was better late, but again not by a lot. Tracking line combinations was tough in internet stream; I was surprised to see that Greig was the one who got the goal off Norby's pass. No idea if that was a 'regular' thing later in the game or a one time mid-line-change occurance.
    Greig...I was listening to the 3rd period/OT/OT and it seemed like Norby was with Greig on a bit of a regular basis.
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    Any feedback on how they played is welcome. Is it fair tot say they played better Sunday than Saturday? MJ said after game 1 he didn't like how they played between the blue lines; they gave a lot of pucks away. That seemed to be what I saw against BSU as well. One other thing I am interested in learning more about is Norby playing with Greig. Did they spot Norby onto the 4th line? MJ has said in the past he has liked Greig's game quite a bit.
    I wasn't following the Wisconsin line combos very closely, but with that caveat, I saw Grieg and G. Shirley out there with Norby a lot. It felt like the latter was getting regular shifts, but that Grieg/Shirley rotated with Schneider/Drake. Posick played little.

    Wisconsin did look sloppier than I'm used to. Maybe that was just an off weekend, but I think that there are two actual issues that could be ongoing. This, of course, comes with the note that it's based off of watching only two games. The first is that, as ARM has mentioned, the back end of the defensive corps is not up to the usual standards. After Steffen and Rowe, there's a significant drop off. The S. Potomak/Heise/Zumwinkle kept finding empty space in the Badger zone and taking advantage. In a universe in which hooking and holding were penalties, they would have had a serious problem, because those were the only ways most of the defensemen could keep from getting run over by Amy Potomak. Right now, LaMantia and Buchbinder are liabilities, and Bowlby had a rough weekend. I didn't see Edwards and Grant on the ice enough to get a good feel for their games.

    The second issue may not come up very often, but it did this weekend: Watts looks like an awkward fit for a Mark Johnson team. She has one elite, world class skill that I could see: she can be lethal in transition. Once Wisconsin was set up in the offensive zone, she looked good but not great. She isn't an especially good forechecker, and her play in the defensive zone is best described as "indifferent." After the first period on Saturday, Minnesota gave her very little room to operate, with Emily Brown's primary job being to be on the ice whenever Watts was and always staying between her and the net. She did a very good job of it, and Watts was quiet for the rest of the weekend, albeit at the cost of Brown not being much of a factor in the Gophers' offensive game, which a significant thing to give up.

    The problem Watts causes for the Badgers is more insidious. Minnesota/Wisconsin games are typically a match to see who can force their preferred style upon the other. The Gophers can look completely lost when Wisconsin really tightens the screws and plays a lock down game. On the other hand, the Badgers get sloppy running around if Minnesota can really crank up the pace. But Daryl Watts, and to a lesser extent Sophie Shirley, wants to play that loose, speed game and when Minnesota offered it to her, she jumped right in. As a consequence, Wisconsin's top line, which logs a ton of ice time, suffered a systems breakdown. The first four periods of the weekend were played according to the Gophers' script. In the fifth, Wisconsin kept the puck in the Minnesota zone for most of the first fifteen minutes, but struggled to get the puck into good scoring locations. By the third, both teams were exhausted and it was basically a death march to see whose errors would matter most.

    Wisconsin has enough talent that they can keep things close under those conditions. Indeed, the problem won't come up very often, because there are few teams that want to play run-and-gun hockey with the Badgers. But what I saw this weekend suggests that, when they do run into a quality team that wants to, they aren't going to maximize their performance. It will be interesting to see what happens when they play BC in Nashville, and I'm now extra glad that I'm making that trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post
    I wasn't following the Wisconsin line combos very closely, but with that caveat, I saw Grieg and G. Shirley out there with Norby a lot. It felt like the latter was getting regular shifts, but that Grieg/Shirley rotated with Schneider/Drake. Posick played little.

    Wisconsin did look sloppier than I'm used to. Maybe that was just an off weekend, but I think that there are two actual issues that could be ongoing. This, of course, comes with the note that it's based off of watching only two games. The first is that, as ARM has mentioned, the back end of the defensive corps is not up to the usual standards. After Steffen and Rowe, there's a significant drop off. The S. Potomak/Heise/Zumwinkle kept finding empty space in the Badger zone and taking advantage. In a universe in which hooking and holding were penalties, they would have had a serious problem, because those were the only ways most of the defensemen could keep from getting run over by Amy Potomak. Right now, LaMantia and Buchbinder are liabilities, and Bowlby had a rough weekend. I didn't see Edwards and Grant on the ice enough to get a good feel for their games.

    The second issue may not come up very often, but it did this weekend: Watts looks like an awkward fit for a Mark Johnson team. She has one elite, world class skill that I could see: she can be lethal in transition. Once Wisconsin was set up in the offensive zone, she looked good but not great. She isn't an especially good forechecker, and her play in the defensive zone is best described as "indifferent." After the first period on Saturday, Minnesota gave her very little room to operate, with Emily Brown's primary job being to be on the ice whenever Watts was and always staying between her and the net. She did a very good job of it, and Watts was quiet for the rest of the weekend, albeit at the cost of Brown not being much of a factor in the Gophers' offensive game, which a significant thing to give up.

    The problem Watts causes for the Badgers is more insidious. Minnesota/Wisconsin games are typically a match to see who can force their preferred style upon the other. The Gophers can look completely lost when Wisconsin really tightens the screws and plays a lock down game. On the other hand, the Badgers get sloppy running around if Minnesota can really crank up the pace. But Daryl Watts, and to a lesser extent Sophie Shirley, wants to play that loose, speed game and when Minnesota offered it to her, she jumped right in. As a consequence, Wisconsin's top line, which logs a ton of ice time, suffered a systems breakdown. The first four periods of the weekend were played according to the Gophers' script. In the fifth, Wisconsin kept the puck in the Minnesota zone for most of the first fifteen minutes, but struggled to get the puck into good scoring locations. By the third, both teams were exhausted and it was basically a death march to see whose errors would matter most.

    Wisconsin has enough talent that they can keep things close under those conditions. Indeed, the problem won't come up very often, because there are few teams that want to play run-and-gun hockey with the Badgers. But what I saw this weekend suggests that, when they do run into a quality team that wants to, they aren't going to maximize their performance. It will be interesting to see what happens when they play BC in Nashville, and I'm now extra glad that I'm making that trip.
    Thanks for the synopsis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post
    I wasn't following the Wisconsin line combos very closely, but with that caveat, I saw Grieg and G. Shirley out there with Norby a lot. It felt like the latter was getting regular shifts, but that Grieg/Shirley rotated with Schneider/Drake. Posick played little.

    Wisconsin did look sloppier than I'm used to. Maybe that was just an off weekend, but I think that there are two actual issues that could be ongoing. This, of course, comes with the note that it's based off of watching only two games. The first is that, as ARM has mentioned, the back end of the defensive corps is not up to the usual standards. After Steffen and Rowe, there's a significant drop off. The S. Potomak/Heise/Zumwinkle kept finding empty space in the Badger zone and taking advantage. In a universe in which hooking and holding were penalties, they would have had a serious problem, because those were the only ways most of the defensemen could keep from getting run over by Amy Potomak. Right now, LaMantia and Buchbinder are liabilities, and Bowlby had a rough weekend. I didn't see Edwards and Grant on the ice enough to get a good feel for their games.

    The second issue may not come up very often, but it did this weekend: Watts looks like an awkward fit for a Mark Johnson team. She has one elite, world class skill that I could see: she can be lethal in transition. Once Wisconsin was set up in the offensive zone, she looked good but not great. She isn't an especially good forechecker, and her play in the defensive zone is best described as "indifferent." After the first period on Saturday, Minnesota gave her very little room to operate, with Emily Brown's primary job being to be on the ice whenever Watts was and always staying between her and the net. She did a very good job of it, and Watts was quiet for the rest of the weekend, albeit at the cost of Brown not being much of a factor in the Gophers' offensive game, which a significant thing to give up.

    The problem Watts causes for the Badgers is more insidious. Minnesota/Wisconsin games are typically a match to see who can force their preferred style upon the other. The Gophers can look completely lost when Wisconsin really tightens the screws and plays a lock down game. On the other hand, the Badgers get sloppy running around if Minnesota can really crank up the pace. But Daryl Watts, and to a lesser extent Sophie Shirley, wants to play that loose, speed game and when Minnesota offered it to her, she jumped right in. As a consequence, Wisconsin's top line, which logs a ton of ice time, suffered a systems breakdown. The first four periods of the weekend were played according to the Gophers' script. In the fifth, Wisconsin kept the puck in the Minnesota zone for most of the first fifteen minutes, but struggled to get the puck into good scoring locations. By the third, both teams were exhausted and it was basically a death march to see whose errors would matter most.

    Wisconsin has enough talent that they can keep things close under those conditions. Indeed, the problem won't come up very often, because there are few teams that want to play run-and-gun hockey with the Badgers. But what I saw this weekend suggests that, when they do run into a quality team that wants to, they aren't going to maximize their performance. It will be interesting to see what happens when they play BC in Nashville, and I'm now extra glad that I'm making that trip.
    Excellent synopsis! As one whose game summaries go more like 'They played good,' I appreciate thoughtful and incisive analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Eeyore View Post
    The first is that, as ARM has mentioned, the back end of the defensive corps is not up to the usual standards. After Steffen and Rowe, there's a significant drop off. The S. Potomak/Heise/Zumwinkle kept finding empty space in the Badger zone and taking advantage. In a universe in which hooking and holding were penalties, they would have had a serious problem, because those were the only ways most of the defensemen could keep from getting run over by Amy Potomak. Right now, LaMantia and Buchbinder are liabilities, and Bowlby had a rough weekend. I didn't see Edwards and Grant on the ice enough to get a good feel for their games.
    I agree that there is a bigger stratification of UW blue-line players than was the case last year. However, I see the top four as being Steffen, Buchbinder, Bowlby, and LaMantia. They have varying strengths, but I would guess that these are the four that the coaches would want on the ice a crunch time. Rowe obviously has more size than someone like LaMantia, so she can match up better against a Heise, Zumwinkle, or A. Potomak in front of her own net, but she isn't as mobile.
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    Interesting to read the detailed thoughts. I tend to agree with what was said. First time seeing them this year. They did look sloppier than last year. I thought Edwards made some nice plays but noticed a few sloppy passes too. Maurmann was sure fun to watch though. I hope to catch them at some of the other state of MN road trips, not sure if I'll catch them in Madison this year , I missed them the couple times I've been down. I hope to be in Madison for volleyball regionals (if WI hosts) but hockey teams are on break then. Oh well.

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    The second issue may not come up very often, but it did this weekend: Watts looks like an awkward fit for a Mark Johnson team. She has one elite, world class skill that I could see: she can be lethal in transition. Once Wisconsin was set up in the offensive zone, she looked good but not great. She isn't an especially good forechecker, and her play in the defensive zone is best described as "indifferent."
    Having only seen Watts play against marginal opponents, I have to say that from that perspective I thought she was doing a very good job at the forecheck and playing D. Unfortunately those types of opponents are all I will see until the end of January, though I may have to find a way to watch the Hawvawd/BC games. I'm doubtful those 2 are in the same plane as MN.
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    Not much cookin about this season right now, so I took a loot @ D and G for next year (I really like thinking about the future). There are no D coming in that I am aware of, so MJ is running with what he has now.....Buchbinder, Bowlby, Lamantia, Edwards, Grant, Kotlowski. The following year only Harvey is on the radar, so they would be down to 5.

    On the goalie front, it will be the Blesi/Kronish show for 2 more years. There no goalie on the radar until 2023 when McNaughton arrives. 2022/2023 there is no goalie on the roster at all. I suppose with Webster and O'Brien on the roster maybe they won't need one.

    He really doesn't have much of a history of bringing in late bloomers at all. He does have more of a recent history with transfers (Kepler, Campbell, Watts) so the next 12 months will be interesting in regards to the D and G spots.
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    and G spots.
    Using that phrase...Maybe rethink that?
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    Using that phrase...Maybe rethink that?
    Disclaimer.....the below post referring to what is posted above is strictly about hockey and the position of goalie i.e. goaltender. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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    He does have more of a recent history with transfers (Kepler, Campbell, Watts)
    Kepler and Campbell are both, in their own ways, 'special cases' (which I guess would make Watts a 'special case', as well). I don't know that any of them indicate any increasing reliance on transfers in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Not much cookin about this season right now, so I took a loot @ D and G for next year (I really like thinking about the future). There are no D coming in that I am aware of, so MJ is running with what he has now.....Buchbinder, Bowlby, Lamantia, Edwards, Grant, Kotlowski. The following year only Harvey is on the radar, so they would be down to 5.
    I saw Caroline Harvey play this past summer in the Beantown tournament. She's an outstanding talent, one of the top D in her class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    Kepler and Campbell are both, in their own ways, 'special cases' (which I guess would make Watts a 'special case', as well). I don't know that any of them indicate any increasing reliance on transfers in general.
    I agree, he's just been able to stumble into the right players at the right time. I will always wonder how Cece would have fared as the starting goalie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    Kepler and Campbell are both, in their own ways, 'special cases' (which I guess would make Watts a 'special case', as well). I don't know that any of them indicate any increasing reliance on transfers in general.
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