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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    Well I can tell you where I read it: Was on game day versus Sacred Heart, Friday August 30th...I got a USA TODAY newspaper at my Hotel room and inside the sports section they had a article on how much Teams pay other Teams to play and most likely beat them. Hopefully that helps you as I have no idea on how to get the article...maybe the others here on the THREAD can be of better help....but that's where I got the info.
    I think I found the article for you:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ks/2145432001/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMC View Post
    Regardless, my point stands. The playoff committee has shown a willingness to take teams with 7 D-I wins, but not 6. A non-conference of two FBS teams, a (normally) decent FCS team and a bad FCS team means you are hoping to go 2-2 and then win 5 conference games. And then hoping you get picked.

    5-3 in conference and 3-1 in the non-conference is a stone cold lock. 4-4 in conference and 3-1 in the non-conference probably is, too. Maine is scheduling themselves a very narrow path to the playoffs and they are doing it for the money.
    UNH has won 4 in a row too, so if they stay hot and Maine rights the ship that finale could be a play in. Its happened before where a UNH team with some early losses has come in and ruined our season. Shoe could be on the other foot if Maine can get some wins between now and then.

    Its unlikely they run the table but its conceivable

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    Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

    Quote Originally Posted by steven22 View Post
    I think I found the article for you:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ks/2145432001/
    That is it...THANKS for the help...I was off by 25k on the money(300k not 325k).

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    I recall reading about Maine's athletic spending back in the spring in the previous thread. Therefore I created a spreadsheet with all of Maine's NCAA financial information for 2010-18 and posted the link. Since it is being brought up again I thought I would repost the link. The football program has brought in between 250 thousand (2011) and 725 thousand (2016) in guarantees, but the guarantees have only accounted for 10-17% of reported revenue. Furthermore, while football has shown an overall profit for 2016-18 that is due to an increase in direct institutional support of over $1 million per year compared to 2010-15. When institutional support is not counted as revenue the football team has lost between $2.6 and $3 million per year. In fact, no sports team as had an earned profit for for any year and the athletic department has had an earned loss between $9.8 million (2010) and $14.5 million (2018) each year which has been covered by institutional support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    I recall reading about Maine's athletic spending back in the spring in the previous thread. Therefore I created a spreadsheet with all of Maine's NCAA financial information for 2010-18 and posted the link. Since it is being brought up again I thought I would repost the link. The football program has brought in between 250 thousand (2011) and 725 thousand (2016) in guarantees, but the guarantees have only accounted for 10-17% of reported revenue. Furthermore, while football has shown an overall profit for 2016-18 that is due to an increase in direct institutional support of over $1 million per year compared to 2010-15. When institutional support is not counted as revenue the football team has lost between $2.6 and $3 million per year. In fact, no sports team as had an earned profit for for any year and the athletic department has had an earned loss between $9.8 million (2010) and $14.5 million (2018) each year which has been covered by institutional support.

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    Thank you. I was wondering when you'd show up. It's like a Bat Signal summons you whenever someone starts talking about money.

    I knew the situation was bad but didn't think it was THAT bad. At least we're better off than the Alaska schools, so we have that going for us...which is nice.

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    Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

    Quote Originally Posted by steven22 View Post
    I think I found the article for you:


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ks/2145432001/
    Very interesting link. Thank you. (I'm thinking that Maine should schedule Rutgers next year, and take the the 1.2 million one-off.)

    Still wondering what -if any- money Maine made playing deep into the FCS play-offs last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Very interesting link. Thank you. (I'm thinking that Maine should schedule Rutgers next year, and take the the 1.2 million one-off.)

    Still wondering what -if any- money Maine made playing deep into the FCS play-offs last season.
    The non-conference schedule is set through 2021, with one game needed for 2022.

    https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/maine/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunbar View Post
    The non-conference schedule is set through 2021, with one game needed for 2022.

    https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/maine/
    Thanks for that info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Thank you. I was wondering when you'd show up. It's like a Bat Signal summons you whenever someone starts talking about money.

    I knew the situation was bad but didn't think it was THAT bad. At least we're better off than the Alaska schools, so we have that going for us...which is nice.
    Thanks, as I said I had already created the spreadsheet for Maine several months ago.

    Actually, Maine's athletic department has done much better than UNH's in containg costs. From 2010-18 UNH has run earned losses between $16.9 million (2012) and $22.85 million (2018) each year. UNH lists 18 sports (7 men, 11 women) while Maine lists 15 (7 men, 8 women) and they are not all same. I also haven't compared UNH to Maine sport-by-sport, but for 2018 (2017-18 school year), UNH spent $5.44 million on football while Maine spent $4.1 million and in hockey UNH spent $2.66 million (men) and $1.8 million (women) while Maine spent $2.1 million (men) and $1.1 million (women).

    As for the Alaska schools, for the most part they have done an excellent job of containing expenses between 2010 and 2018. Both are D2 schools without football, but UAF's total athletic expenses were between $7.1 (2018) and $8.9 million (2012) while UAA's total athletic expenses were between $8.7 million (2010) and $13.1 million (2016) with $11.9 million for 2018.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Very interesting link. Thank you. (I'm thinking that Maine should schedule Rutgers next year, and take the the 1.2 million one-off.)

    Still wondering what -if any- money Maine made playing deep into the FCS play-offs last season.
    NCAA financial reports are due for the previous school year by 15 January, so Maine's 2019 report which should list any NCAA distribution from the playoffs should be available for request by February. However, I took a look at what UNH reported for NCAA distributions for the years they made it into the FCS playoffs to get an idea how much Maine may have gotten.

    2017-18 played 3 rounds (1st, 2nd, QF), $93,287
    2016-17 played 2 rounds (1st, 2nd), $53,589
    2015-16 played 1 round (1st), $21,203
    2014-15 played 3 rounds (2nd, QF, SF), $67,058
    before 2015 the reports combine NCAA and conference distributions together

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    The boys actually won last weekend.

    Football is going nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    NCAA financial reports are due for the previous school year by 15 January, so Maine's 2019 report which should list any NCAA distribution from the playoffs should be available for request by February. However, I took a look at what UNH reported for NCAA distributions for the years they made it into the FCS playoffs to get an idea how much Maine may have gotten.

    2017-18 played 3 rounds (1st, 2nd, QF), $93,287
    2016-17 played 2 rounds (1st, 2nd), $53,589
    2015-16 played 1 round (1st), $21,203
    2014-15 played 3 rounds (2nd, QF, SF), $67,058
    before 2015 the reports combine NCAA and conference distributions together

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    Good stuff. It's truly enlightening to see that Maine (probably) makes more money via playing two FBS teams per year than it would from six seasons of making the third round of the FCS playoffs.

    (Not that I like that circumstance, but now I have a better idea of why FCS schools do that across the board.)

    Great post. May you live to be 120.
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    Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

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    The boys actually won last weekend.

    Football is going nowhere.
    Football has a slim chance.

    Hockey..? Depends on how delusional you are.

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    Freshman QB Fagnano starting at Liberty.
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    Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

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    Freshman QB Fagnano starting at Liberty.
    He had some aspects of his game versus Richmond that looked good...he can run when pressured...he does have some touch on his passes/but with that he learned the hard way in trying to put the ball in a crowd...IMO he did not look totally out of place, just needed the reps and was thrown into the fray with the game on the line....until they get there running game working he will be put in tough situations. I myself like his play and will only get better....but the season is sliding away fast.
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    Any Maine fans making the trek to Hamden this weekend?
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    I am not travelling down. Appears that the game will be on ESPN+.

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    Any Maine fans making the trek to Hamden this weekend?
    You should have a pretty easy time getting the sweep this weekend Mark. If not then you better start worrying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
    Any Maine fans making the trek to Hamden this weekend?
    We actually had planned to, but a family-thing reared its head. Wanted to see the team there before we completely committed to the SLU trip, which is actually a longer one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    He had some aspects of his game versus Richmond that looked good...he can run when pressured...he does have some touch on his passes/but with that he learned the hard way in trying to put the ball in a crowd...IMO he did not look totally out of place, just needed the reps and was thrown into the fray with the game on the line....until they get there running game working he will be put in tough situations. I myself like his play and will only get better....but the season is sliding away fast.
    Yeah, if Ferguson is done, so goes the season.

    But I'll watch just the same to see the new kid. His numbers were pretty good, despite the situation you describe.

    (And I think the running game could be much better, too. Maine has two backs who can find space in spread sets, but seem reluctant to call those plays for whatever reason. Maybe with Ferguson out, we'll see a more diversified offense.)
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    You should have a pretty easy time getting the sweep this weekend Mark. If not then you better start worrying!
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