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[Kepler]

Maybe you are part of the "Too Old to Be a Hipster but Still Sound Like One" generation or something

Taste is timeless.

My granfalloon is nerds. I pity you temporally-bound fools.

[mookie1995]

Dear sir or madam will you read kep's post, it took him years to write, will you take a look?

[Proud2baLaker]

Yep. Same here. I prefer "Oregon Trail" generation.

Yep. That’s the preferred nomenclature.

I've also heard it referred to as the Star Wars generation (between release of New Hope and Return of the Jedi). I fit into that generation too and find the description accurate.

[ticapnews]

Yep. Same here. I prefer "Oregon Trail" generation.

This reminds me of a story from Reader's Digest years ago.

A guy was touring the PNW with his family and they were having a great time. They were at a spot on the old Oregon Trail where you can (supposedly) still see the ruts the wagons made when they came west. He thought it was cool, but his daughter looked depressed. He asked her why and she answered, "This is where my oxen always die."

[St. Clown]

Dear sir or madam will you read kep's post, it took him years to write, will you take a look?

Chat-room blog-ger...

[Jimjamesak]

Being born in 1985 for a long time I was always on the “Oregon Trail generation” train but I’ve come to accept my “Millennial” designation. I’ve found I’ve got more in common with folks born in 1990 than in 1980 while talking about current events and such. The biggest one was Lockdown/ALICE/Active Shooter drills in schools, I was discussing them with my brothers (born 78, 80, and 82 respectively) and I mentioned “yeah, I remember when they started doing those when I was in high school” and my brothers were utterly bewildered that they’d been doing them for that long.

The Iliza clip I linked kinda summed it all up. I’m a millennial, just a weird Elder Millennial.

Also, I have an equal amount of contempt for Boomers and Gen Xers. Boomers definitely f-ed things up but Xers had a chance to intervene and do something but never have, just sat in the corner complaining about how things suck and how much they’re ignored.

[MissThundercat]

I watched Carol last night. Made in 2015, it's a lesbian love story, and painted an accurate picture for LGBT life in the early 1950s. You could have your kids taken away from you because of a "morality clause." Having to run around in secret and really deny everything so you won't lose everything. Besides, Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara have an excellent on-screen chemistry.

Highly recommend.

[unofan]

I will say this. I didn’t understand Born in the USA until relatively recently. Before that I only played it on Fourth of July holiday.

When I actually understood the entirety of the song rather than the chorus, I realized the irony of playing it as a Freedom Anthem while gaining a respect for it.

That being said, I generally don’t like his music, but that might change now that I know he doesn’t have a raging murica boner.

My favorite story along those lines is the music guy at the last winter Olympics playing that song as the US celebrated. In South Korea. With the words "sent me off to a foreign land, to go and kill the yellow man" blasting out on the PA system.

[ticapnews]

My favorite story along those lines is the music guy at the last winter Olympics playing that song as the US celebrated. In South Korea. With the words "sent me off to a foreign land, to go and kill the yellow man" blasting out on the PA system.

That was epic

[ticapnews]

Being born in 1985 for a long time I was always on the “Oregon Trail generation” train but I’ve come to accept my “Millennial” designation. I’ve found I’ve got more in common with folks born in 1990 than in 1980 while talking about current events and such. The biggest one was Lockdown/ALICE/Active Shooter drills in schools, I was discussing them with my brothers (born 78, 80, and 82 respectively) and I mentioned “yeah, I remember when they started doing those when I was in high school” and my brothers were utterly bewildered that they’d been doing them for that long.

The Iliza clip I linked kinda summed it all up. I’m a millennial, just a weird Elder Millennial.

Also, I have an equal amount of contempt for Boomers and Gen Xers. Boomers definitely f-ed things up but Xers had a chance to intervene and do something but never have, just sat in the corner complaining about how things suck and how much they’re ignored.

I had the same opinion. I was apologizing to Millennials for not fixing things, and another Gen X'er corrected me. It isn't that we never had the opportunity; we never had the numbers. The Boomers were always MUCH larger as a population and were able to win elections and set policy accordingly. We never had a chance to fix things because we never had the power. Look at the presidential candidates: Most are from either the Boomers (all GOP candidates, the Dem front runners) or Millennials. The only Gen X candidates are Booker, Beto, Castro and Yang. Who are the Gen X leaders in Congress? Quick: Name five House members who were born between 1965-1980. No googling. Can't do it, can you?

The good news is that we won't have a chance to screw things up in the future because the Millennials will seize power away from us (they already are). There is a good chance we'll be the first generation to not have a president.

[Kepler]

I had the same opinion. I was apologizing to Millennials for not fixing things, and another Gen X'er corrected me. It isn't that we never had the opportunity; we never had the numbers. The Boomers were always MUCH larger as a population and were able to win elections and set policy accordingly. We never had a chance to fix things because we never had the power. Look at the presidential candidates: Most are from either the Boomers (all GOP candidates, the Dem front runners) or Millennials. The only Gen X candidates are Booker, Beto, Castro and Yang. Who are the Gen X leaders in Congress? Quick: Name five House members who were born between 1965-1980. No googling. Can't do it, can you?

The good news is that we won't have a chance to screw things up in the future because the Millennials will seize power away from us (they already are). There is a good chance we'll be the first generation to not have a president.

Not at all. X just hasn't entered into their period of primary influence yet. Let's say they are '63-'83 (they can't cheat by artificially shortening the generation interval and then crying paucity of numbers). That means right now they are 36-56 years old. That isn't even sniffing power.

IIRC this is the first year in which Gen Xers outnumber Boomers. Go X's time is just arriving.

Everything until now is strictly the Boomers' fault. It will be for a while yet because of momentum, like the few months of a new administration really belong to the old one. But X coming into their own now. They are about to be at fault.

Also: Gen Xers aren't that much smaller in terms of a generation of native births. Even though the Boomers were larger they weren't ridiculously larger. And even tough family planning has helped women step off the baby machine treadmill the Silent Generation also had family planning. They even had -- gasp -- abortion. It wasn't legal but they did it all the time.

But if you insist on this BS granfaloon... if you are really going to insist on "generation" as something demographically meaningful then a generational interval should be equal in length to the median age at which a woman has her middle child. That used to be 20 in the 19th century. It moved up to around 25 by the mid 20th century. I suspect right now that means a generation is about 30 years.

The "real" generations are probably, roughly:

98-17 (21) Lost
17-40 (23) Silent
40-65 (25) Boomer
65-92 (27) X
92-21 (29) Millenial
21-52 (31) Z

And if that's the case X is now 27-54 years old. Still just kids with no power at all.

But of course generations aren't real. They are labels used for people to sell you sh-t by appealing to your vanity and oppositional identity formation. They're almost as dumb as races. "There's no youth culture, only masks they let you rent."

[Kepler]

Oregon Trail was around at least as early as the mid-70's and was huge for people my age because there was nothing else like it yet.

It wasn't huge in the 70s. It was one of the first games that came loaded on Apple IIs that hit secondary schools. That started on the coasts in 1980 and god knows when they actually brought them out to flyover... by Conestoga wagon, presumably.

[Slap Shot]

It wasn't huge in the 70s. It was one of the first games that came loaded on Apple IIs that hit secondary schools. That started on the coasts in 1980 and god knows when they actually brought them out to flyover... by Conestoga wagon, presumably.

No. We had it and every kid my age I knew played it before 1980. Born: 1967

[Kepler]

No. We had it and every kid my age I knew played it before 1980. Born: 1967

What year? Here is the game history. If it was "Oregon Trail" it could not have been before 1980. If it was "Oregon" the earliest you could have seen it was 1978 (which admittedly is 2 years earlier than I thought), but even then the game history says it was rare until "the mid 80s".

I remember seeing it for the first time at the computer lab at Cornell in 1982 and nobody else had ever seen it, which would be surprising given that those people had been building computers in their garages since junior high school.

I am presuming MN had electricity by 1978.

[St. Clown]

It wasn't huge in the 70s. It was one of the first games that came loaded on Apple IIs that hit secondary schools. That started on the coasts in 1980 and god knows when they actually brought them out to flyover... by Conestoga wagon, presumably.

You might want to look at where some of the big tech firms kept offices. Rochester, MN, was known for two companies until about 20 years ago - Mayo Clinics and IBM. One was founded there, and the other located a giant campus there because of the level of education in that city. Big Blue has since dwindled its numbers in Rochester to just a couple thousand, but it certainly was a big influencer at one point.

Also, MN has between 17 and 19 companies on the Fortune 500 list at any given time, based upon stock prices on a given day. We're far from the dearth of information and tech that you like to think or pretend. We're not North Dakota, South Dakota, or Wisconsin.

[Jimjamesak]

Not at all. X just hasn't entered into their period of primary influence yet. Let's say they are '63-'83 (they can't cheat by artificially shortening the generation interval and then crying paucity of numbers). That means right now they are 36-56 years old. That isn't even sniffing power.

IIRC this is the first year in which Gen Xers outnumber Boomers. Go X's time is just arriving.

Everything until now is strictly the Boomers' fault. It will be for a while yet because of momentum, like the few months of a new administration really belong to the old one. But X coming into their own now. They are about to be at fault.

Also: Gen Xers aren't that much smaller in terms of a generation of native births. Even though the Boomers were larger they weren't ridiculously larger. And even tough family planning has helped women step off the baby machine treadmill the Silent Generation also had family planning. They even had -- gasp -- abortion. It wasn't legal but they did it all the time.

But if you insist on this BS granfaloon... if you are really going to insist on "generation" as something demographically meaningful then a generational interval should be equal in length to the median age at which a woman has her middle child. That used to be 20 in the 19th century. It moved up to around 25 by the mid 20th century. I suspect right now that means a generation is about 30 years.

The "real" generations are probably, roughly:

98-17 (21) Lost
17-40 (23) Silent
40-65 (25) Boomer
65-92 (27) X
92-21 (29) Millenial
21-52 (31) Z

And if that's the case X is now 27-54 years old. Still just kids with no power at all.

But of course generations aren't real. They are labels used for people to sell you sh-t by appealing to your vanity and oppositional identity formation. They're almost as dumb as races. "There's no youth culture, only masks they let you rent."

The problem with your old man cloud yelling is you don’t take into account how fast technology has moved over the years and how that affects education and how a person grows up.

Using your examples a person born in 1965 might have some similarities in their experience to someone born in 1975, but to say that someone born in 1965 is similar to someone born in 1985 like myself is ridiculous. Heck the gap between me at 1985 and someone born in 1995 is huge, I had a cell phone in my later high school years but it was a Nokia 5100, a 95 kid likely had a smart phone while the 65 and 75 considered it a luxury to have a landline in their room.

[Jimjamesak]

You might want to look at where some of the big tech firms kept offices. Rochester, MN, was known for two companies until about 20 years ago - Mayo Clinics and IBM. One was founded there, and the other located a giant campus there because of the level of education in that city. Big Blue has since dwindled its numbers in Rochester to just a couple thousand, but it certainly was a big influencer at one point.

Also, MN has between 17 and 19 companies on the Fortune 500 list at any given time, based upon stock prices on a given day. We're far from the dearth of information and tech that you like to think or pretend. We're not North Dakota, South Dakota, or Wisconsin.

He also doesn’t remember MECC, the creator of the game. I’m not gonna mention what the M stands for...

[Kepler]

The problem with your old man cloud yelling is you don’t take into account how fast technology has moved over the years and how that affects education and how a person grows up.

Using your examples a person born in 1965 might have some similarities in their experience to someone born in 1975, but to say that someone born in 1965 is similar to someone born in 1985 like myself is ridiculous. Heck the gap between me at 1985 and someone born in 1995 is huge, I had a cell phone in my later high school years but it was a Nokia 5100, a 95 kid likely had a smart phone while the 65 and 75 considered it a luxury to have a landline in their room.

Generations have nothing to do with tech. If they were, there would be one generation from 400-1400 AD. Tech is just toys, it doesn't mean anything for human-ness. It's a distraction for children until they become adults by having children.

Generations are about the social-psychology of being raised by your parents' generation -- you get messed up in different ways because of the way your parents are messed up. The Silent Generation was emotionally withholding; they raised the Boomers who were self-absorbed and spoiled; they raised the Gen Xers who were bitter little toads; they are raising the Millenials who will be emotionally withholding again. And thus it resets.

Isofar as a generation means anything it means the scars of the incompetent people who raised you, which were conditioned on the scars of the incompetent people who raised them, and so on ad infinitum.

Or it would if it meant anything but it doesn't. It's Quisp vs Quake to get you to buy sh-t.

[Jimjamesak]

Generations have nothing to do with tech. If they were, there would be one generation from 400-1400 AD. Tech is just toys, it doesn't mean anything for human-ness. It's a distraction for children until they become adults by having children.

Generations are about the social-psychology of being raised by your parents' generation -- you get messed up in different ways because of the way your parents are messed up. The Silent Generation was emotionally withholding; they raised the Boomers who were self-absorbed and spoiled; they raised the Gen Xers who were bitter little toads; they are raising the Millenials who will be emotionally withholding again. And thus it resets.

Isofar as a generation means anything it means the scars of the incompetent people who raised you, which were conditioned on the scars of the incompetent people who raised them, and so on ad infinitum.

Or it would if it meant anything but it doesn't. It's Quisp vs Quake to get you to buy sh-t.

Technology is the defining human characteristic, how you can dismiss it so casually is perplexing. I mean, technology determines how and where we work, eat, live, play, fight, even how we f-.

Of course, you would also assume there was absolutely no technological advancement for a 1000 years so I shouldn’t be surprised.

[RaceBoarder]

Generations have nothing to do with tech. If they were, there would be one generation from 400-1400 AD. Tech is just toys, it doesn't mean anything for human-ness. It's a distraction for children until they become adults by having children.

Generations are about the social-psychology of being raised by your parents' generation -- you get messed up in different ways because of the way your parents are messed up. The Silent Generation was emotionally withholding; they raised the Boomers who were self-absorbed and spoiled; they raised the Gen Xers who were bitter little toads; they are raising the Millenials who will be emotionally withholding again. And thus it resets.

Isofar as a generation means anything it means the scars of the incompetent people who raised you, which were conditioned on the scars of the incompetent people who raised them, and so on ad infinitum.

Or it would if it meant anything but it doesn't. It's Quisp vs Quake to get you to buy sh-t.

In the modern day, technology is absolutely driving differences in "generations". I'm a 1983 kid. People born 10 years before me weren't talking to people 1/2 way across the country (and in some cases, around the globe) on a nightly basis in college. Kids born in 1993 have no idea how to function without being "connected" to the rest of the world.

In the grand scheme of things, the Internet Age may very well have a similar effect as movable typeface had in the Middle Ages