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  • #16
    Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

    Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but... How have you not been blasted by the Anti-bot software
    Why would he be? His IP address is the Philippines but he hasn't done anything to identify as a bot. If he does, use the report button and I am positive a moderator will respond as warranted.

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    • #17
      Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

      Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
      New Joker trailer: https://youtu.be/_pk-qMdR9Lo
      Umm... I'm intrigued by this trailer but it feels like this was written for Heath Ledger's Joker/Nolan's Batman Universe. It doesn't tie into the current DC Universe, and Joaquin Phoenix, while appearing to do a hell of a job in the scenes used for the trailer, just doesn't quite *feel* like Ledger. The winks and nods with the masks, suit styling, and Chicago-esque Gotham are just... *chef's kiss* though.

      I think I'm gonna wait for HBO streaming unfortunately. Unless I can be persuaded otherwise with follow up trailers.
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      • #18
        Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

        Originally posted by aparch View Post
        Umm... I'm intrigued by this trailer but it feels like this was written for Heath Ledger's Joker/Nolan's Batman Universe. It doesn't tie into the current DC Universe, and Joaquin Phoenix, while appearing to do a hell of a job in the scenes used for the trailer, just doesn't quite *feel* like Ledger. The winks and nods with the masks, suit styling, and Chicago-esque Gotham are just... *chef's kiss* though.

        I think I'm gonna wait for HBO streaming unfortunately. Unless I can be persuaded otherwise with follow up trailers.
        I would tend to agree.
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        • #19
          Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

          **** that looks good
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          • #20
            Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            **** that looks good
            I love how the most recent Jokers have gone pure psychopath, totally nuts in a calculated way, etc. Stone. F*ing. Cold.
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            • #21
              Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

              Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
              New Joker trailer: https://youtu.be/_pk-qMdR9Lo
              Looks good to me. That's the tap in to the sad clown tradition I wanted to see.

              Ledger's Joker just wanted to see the world burn and that was entertaining but sterile. I prefer the sad clown pushed over the edge who has An Important Moral Lesson in store for humanity. That's the guy I root for. You folks will just have to take your punishment -- you know what you did.
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              • #22
                Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                I think the Phoenix version is tremendously appealing and I look forward to it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Looks good to me. That's the tap in to the sad clown tradition I wanted to see.

                  Ledger's Joker just wanted to see the world burn and that was entertaining but sterile. I prefer the sad clown pushed over the edge who has An Important Moral Lesson in store for humanity. That's the guy I root for. You folks will just have to take your punishment -- you know what you did.
                  Yes! And iirc their are several DC comics that use that plot line. I need to re-read The Killing Joke because it may have been part of the plot of that book...it’s been 20 years since i’ve Read it.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                    Why would he be? His IP address is the Philippines but he hasn't done anything to identify as a bot. If he does, use the report button and I am positive a moderator will respond as warranted.
                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    Wut?
                    IDK. If it is a real person, I whole heartedly apologize. The posts just seem "off" if you read through them however.

                    They are all single sentence replies. Scary part is that they are sort of relevant to the discussion at hand. Like I said, they are "off" but somewhat coherent. Shows how far AI has come I guess

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                      IDK. If it is a real person, I whole heartedly apologize. The posts just seem "off" if you read through them however.

                      They are all single sentence replies. Scary part is that they are sort of relevant to the discussion at hand. Like I said, they are "off" but somewhat coherent. Shows how far AI has come I guess

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                      • #26
                        Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                        Originally posted by aparch View Post
                        Umm... I'm intrigued by this trailer but it feels like this was written for Heath Ledger's Joker/Nolan's Batman Universe. It doesn't tie into the current DC Universe, and Joaquin Phoenix, while appearing to do a hell of a job in the scenes used for the trailer, just doesn't quite *feel* like Ledger. The winks and nods with the masks, suit styling, and Chicago-esque Gotham are just... *chef's kiss* though.

                        I think I'm gonna wait for HBO streaming unfortunately. Unless I can be persuaded otherwise with follow up trailers.
                        It literally has zero to do with Ledger's Joker. It takes place in 1981 Ledger's Joker wouldnt have even been born yet. Nolan's story is done and will never be touched upon again. I doubt Phoenix's Joker even survives the film.

                        This is a standalone story that is meant to be a character study in how someone like that could come about. He isnt scarred or burned by acid...he is just a guy who completely breaks with reality because society is destroying him. Outside of the "failed comedian" part (which is one of like 12 origins for the Joker only used in really one story and has always been a "possible origin" as the Joker lies about it all the time and DC never wants there to really be one) and the names of characters it has nothing to do with anything comic related or any current stories in universe. This is Todd Phillips wanting to do Taxi Driver only instead he is using it to show one man's decent into madness.

                        The nice thing is the budget was almost nothing...and it is making the film festival rounds and getting lots of awards hype. Phillips has tried to get WB to do more of these one off character studies for this genre, and if this does well I cant see why they wouldnt.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          It literally has zero to do with Ledger's Joker. It takes place in 1981 Ledger's Joker wouldnt have even been born yet. Nolan's story is done and will never be touched upon again. I doubt Phoenix's Joker even survives the film.

                          This is a standalone story that is meant to be a character study in how someone like that could come about. He isnt scarred or burned by acid...he is just a guy who completely breaks with reality because society is destroying him. Outside of the "failed comedian" part (which is one of like 12 origins for the Joker only used in really one story and has always been a "possible origin" as the Joker lies about it all the time and DC never wants there to really be one) and the names of characters it has nothing to do with anything comic related or any current stories in universe. This is Todd Phillips wanting to do Taxi Driver only instead he is using it to show one man's decent into madness.

                          The nice thing is the budget was almost nothing...and it is making the film festival rounds and getting lots of awards hype. Phillips has tried to get WB to do more of these one off character studies for this genre, and if this does well I cant see why they wouldnt.
                          I want this to have minimal references to DC comics if at all possible. I want this to be a dissection of just a single character. I think Joaquin and Todd Phillips are on the right track with what has been shown so far. I feel that referencing anything from the Batman mythos (outside of general, large scale references like taking place in Gotham City) would be a detractor. You can maybe put a rundown ACE CHEMICAL billboard somewhere in the background, but even those kind of nods need to be one-off. I want this to be Juaquin's role to run with and that's it.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                            Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                            I want this to have minimal references to DC comics if at all possible. I want this to be a dissection of just a single character. I think Joaquin and Todd Phillips are on the right track with what has been shown so far. I feel that referencing anything from the Batman mythos (outside of general, large scale references like taking place in Gotham City) would be a detractor. You can maybe put a rundown ACE CHEMICAL billboard somewhere in the background, but even those kind of nods need to be one-off. I want this to be Juaquin's role to run with and that's it.
                            One hundred percent agree. The clown car comic movie approach is over. The most interesting movies now are the one-star movies. Maybe they always have been. Nolan didn’t do much of the Assemble! stuff that should be buried with Stark (spoiler alert).

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                            • #29
                              Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                              Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                              I want this to have minimal references to DC comics if at all possible. I want this to be a dissection of just a single character.
                              I agree with this approach. And it is a way to pull comic book movies out of the mouthbreathing Comic Book Guy set and join them to larger Americana culture. The Joker is a cool character if done right. Comic book characterization is our Comedia del Arte (if that makes you scared and angry then it's our pro wrestling). Simple emotional themes embodied in characters who are then put into interesting configurations. Stan Lee is our Sophocles.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Movies 51 - Rise of the Frozen Joker: Chapter II: Dark Fate

                                Good Lord. Sometimes a movie is just a movie and not a film.

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