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    In case you thought the Electoral College couldn't get any worse

    TL: dr- Electors can pick whoever they want and ignore the popular vote in their state.
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    Re: POTUS 45.57: We Should Have Voted for Zaphod Beeblebrox Instead.

    Wait. What the hell happened to the House?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    In case you thought the Electoral College couldn't get any worse

    TL: dr- Electors can pick whoever they want and ignore the popular vote in their state.
    So basically, no one's vote matters and we're now in the hands of 538 partisans. Such a lovely system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    So basically, no one's vote matters and we're now in the hands of 538 partisans. Such a lovely system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    In case you thought the Electoral College couldn't get any worse

    TL: dr- Electors can pick whoever they want and ignore the popular vote in their state.
    I thought everyone knew that. It was discussed a lot when Trump won. They almost never go against the vote unless it is ceremonial these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    So basically, no one's vote matters and we're now in the hands of 538 partisans. Such a lovely system.
    You've always been there. Nothing has changed since 1824.

    Now imagine you vote directly for an elector rather than a candidate that has an elector pledged to him/her?

    Let's say you're pro life and pro universal healthcare. You would separately vote for the pro life elector and the healthcare elector. Then they would cast their vote for the candidate who best represents their view for POTUS and VPOTUS.

    It could be conceivable that opposite parties receive a majority vote for POTUS & VPOTUS.

    Oops - nobody got 270 EVs? Off to the House and/or Senate to see who wins.

    It may (MAY) drive everyone back towards the center or we may (MAY) end up with splinters. It would definitely change the way campaigns are run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    You've always been there. Nothing has changed since 1824.

    Now imagine you vote directly for an elector rather than a candidate that has an elector pledged to him/her?

    Let's say you're pro life and pro universal healthcare. You would separately vote for the pro life elector and the healthcare elector. Then they would cast their vote for the candidate who best represents their view for POTUS and VPOTUS.

    It could be conceivable that opposite parties receive a majority vote for POTUS & VPOTUS.

    Oops - nobody got 270 EVs? Off to the House and/or Senate to see who wins.

    It may (MAY) drive everyone back towards the center or we may (MAY) end up with splinters. It would definitely change the way campaigns are run.
    Now imagine we just elect the president by popular vote, full stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Now imagine we just elect the president by popular vote, full stop.
    HA! Can you imagine? That's just what we need. Imagine a civilized country just letting the MOB of COMMON RABBLE go out and vote for someone like... like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Now imagine we just elect the president by popular vote, full stop.
    If that happens, the hegemony of the coasts would be complete. You'd like that. I wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
    In case you thought the Electoral College couldn't get any worse

    TL: dr- Electors can pick whoever they want and ignore the popular vote in their state.
    It's been that way since Day 1 of the Constitution. I don't know why this is a surprise to anybody who's gone beyond high school social studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    It's been that way since Day 1 of the Constitution. I don't know why this is a surprise to anybody who's gone beyond high school social studies.
    There's a difference IINM. Previously states passed laws to prevent faithless electors and this was considered within their power. If I'm reading this right states can't control their own electors.

    So if Bezos bribes 270 electors he's president without getting one vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post

    So if Bezos bribes 270 electors he's president without getting one vote.
    So, basically the DNC primary process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    So, basically the DNC primary process?
    I thought we weren't going to talk about DWS anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    There's a difference IINM. Previously states passed laws to prevent faithless electors and this was considered within their power. If I'm reading this right states can't control their own electors.

    So if Bezos bribes 270 electors he's president without getting one vote.
    No I learned about the Electors having at least some freedom back when I was in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    No I learned about the Electors having at least some freedom back when I was in school.
    Yes, what we learned in grammar school was they always had the freedom to be faithless.

    Then states started taking that away.

    But now it seems that faithless elector laws are unconstitutional, so electors are unconstrained again.

    That's bad. But rather than Amend to prevent faithless electors I favor Amending to get rid of the EC* entirely. We have outgrown it. And the one time it would have been useful, to prevent Dump, it wasn't used. It serves no purpose anymore except as a barrier to democracy.

    uno, am I doing this wrong?

    * To be fair I also favor getting rid of the Senate so I should probably not be listened to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    That's bad. But rather than Amend to prevent faithless electors I favor Amending to get rid of the EC* entirely.
    But then you could win the presidency by just winning NY and LA!!!!1!!!!!

    Why no, I don't understand how math works. Why do you ask?

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