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  • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

    Because if one person says 2+2=4, and one person says 8, you should definitely go with 6.

    A ranking should tell you something about the relative probability of who would win a game of football. You could rank teams by number of players with last names in the first half of the alphabet, which would be a perfectly objective and well-defined ranking, but it doesn’t tell you a darn thing about who is likely to win football games.
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    • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

      When you get into computer analytics, it's strictly numbers driven.

      Team A is 7-0. They are scoring 48 points/game. But they are giving up 42 points/game.

      Team B is 7-0. They are scoring 17/game but have given up under 90 points on the year.

      Which team is better?

      You can get drastically different outcomes from these teams with computer models. When these teams play, you get the irresistible force vs immovable object argument on one side of the ball and two crap sides on the opposite. The values for each ranking are the variable. It comes down to whether the analytics favor offense or defense. A side must be chosen by the computers. There is no "eye test" with this type of comparison.

      I don't put all my stock in computer rankings, but they absolutely can show cracks in human polls.
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      • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

        Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
        Because if one person says 2+2=4, and one person says 8, you should definitely go with 6.

        A ranking should tell you something about the relative probability of who would win a game of football. You could rank teams by number of players with last names in the first half of the alphabet, which would be a perfectly objective and well-defined ranking, but it doesn’t tell you a darn thing about who is likely to win football games.
        The problem is when you don’t know who is saying ‘4’ and who is saying 6
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        • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
          The problem is when you don’t know who is saying ‘4’ and who is saying 6
          In that hypothetical, one of the rankings (we have no clue which) is saying 4, and Massey is saying 6.
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          • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

            If you ignore Utah and Oregon at 7-1, the remaining Pac-12 records are 5-3, 5-4, 5-4, 4-4, 4-4, 4-4, 4-4, 4-5, 4-5 and 3-6.

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            • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

              Florida State eats $17 million and fires Willie Taggart. Well, you can fire one coach early and survive. Fire a second and you become Tennessee.
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              • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                Florida State eats $17 million and fires Willie Taggart. Well, you can fire one coach early and survive. Fire a second and you become Tennessee.
                Lane Kiffin shouldn't count towards a school's total.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Lane Kiffin shouldn't count towards a school's total.
                  Yes, he should. Stupid hiring has consequences.
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                  • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                    Countdown to the Fleck to Florida State talk in 3... 2...
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                    • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                      Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
                      Countdown to the Fleck to Florida State talk in 3... 2...
                      You're already too late.
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                      • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                        That sounds like a downgrade for Fleck. He should hold out for a relevant program.
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                        • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                          If Fleck can keep it up here, he could become a deity. Or he can get really paid somewhere else in the SEC or something and just be another coach cog in the massive machine.

                          I guess it's up to him.
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                          • Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                            If Fleck can keep it up here, he could become a deity. Or he can get really paid somewhere else in the SEC or something and just be another coach cog in the massive machine.

                            I guess it's up to him.
                            I wouldn't leave for the SEC until Saban retires.

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                            • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                              I wouldn't leave for the SEC until Saban retires.
                              Which isn’t to be long. He just turned 68. I’d be surprised if he’s still coaching in 5 years.
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                              • Re: College Football 2019-20: It'll Just Be Alabama vs. Clemson AGAIN.

                                Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
                                That sounds like a downgrade for Fleck. He should hold out for a relevant program.
                                Your optimism is amazing, and I hope you are right.

                                But do you really think Minnesota is in a better place than MSU was when Saban left? I can't see your school out spending any of the southern schools.

                                And, oddly enough, in a VERY small sample size, Fleck is demonstrating that his style of coaching is capable of moving. Like Meyer, unlike Harbaugh and Kelly and Frost. So whoever in the south that wants to take the risk has some good indicators that the choice will be a good one.

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