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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

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    Border Patrol Arrest Reports Are Full of Lies That Can Sabotage Asylum Claims

    ON DECEMBER 29, 2017, the night his daughter was born, Augusto left the hospital and rode his motorcycle to his home in Matagalpa, Nicaragua, to pick up a change of clothes for his wife. On his way back, he was stopped at a police checkpoint and taken into custody. Police officers questioned him for hours about his father, a former mayor and member of the opposition party to Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega. At one point, a police detective pushed Augusto into a windowless room and beat him with a plastic Pepsi bottle loaded with sand. The next morning, caked with blood and bruised to a pulp, Augusto was released without charges.

    The beating, along with more threats against his father, inspired Augusto to join in the mass protests against the Ortega government that erupted in April 2018. A month later, a little after midnight on May 29, police broke down Augusto’s door, pulled him barely dressed out of his house, and took him back to the police station to question him again about his father. He was told that his father was accused of plotting a coup against Ortega, a charge Augusto strongly denies. (Augusto, like other asylum-seekers named in this story, is referred to by a pseudonym for his protection.) Scared to return home after his release — “They told me the next time they came, they were going to kill me” — he moved in with his grandfather. A couple months later, someone spray-painted “plomo, plomo, FSLN,” on his front door; “plomo” means “lead” in Spanish, in reference to a bullet, and FSLN is Ortega’s political party, the Sandinista National Liberation Front. To Augusto, it was a clear death threat. In the following days, Augusto, his father, and his sister-in-law decided to flee the country.
    After an arduous three-week trip, they made it to the U.S.-Mexico border in Juárez, Mexico. As they approached the port of entry, a man came up to them and told them that they needed to pay $300 each to access the bridge and cross into the United States. Not having the money, they walked a mile along the border until they saw a Border Patrol truck. They climbed the fence, dropped to their knees on American soil, put their hands behind their heads, and told the agent who approached them that they had come to the U.S. to ask for asylum.

    When in custody, Augusto had a brief interview with a Border Patrol agent, Daniel Chavira. Augusto explained again why he had come to the U.S., and said that he was seeking asylum and had a USB drive in his backpack full of evidence. Yet Chavira confiscated the USB drive (Augusto would never see it again) and recorded on the arrest report, using capital letters, that Augusto “stated that he DOES NOT fear harm and/or persecution should he be returned to his native country.” Chavira also wrote that Augusto intended to go to Los Angeles, “where he planned to reside and seek unauthorized employment.”

    Neither of those statements were true. But Augusto didn’t know at the time what the document claimed he had said, nor that contradictory information on a government document can severely complicate, or even completely derail, an asylum claim. And it would be months before Augusto, with the help of an immigration attorney, was able to stand before a judge to confront the concocted statements.
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    Human Rights Watch’s ongoing investigation has turned up numerous cases of Border Patrol pressuring asylum-seekers not to claim fear, or officers simply lying and saying that people did not fear being returned, when in fact they had stated otherwise.

    “The evidence we have gathered raises serious concerns that Border Patrol officers consistently deny asylum-seekers the opportunity to make a claim for protection or falsify records in a way that undercut those claims,” said Clara Long, senior researcher in the U.S. program at Human Rights Watch.
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    It’s hard to know for sure why a Border Patrol agent might include specious statements on an intake form. Cursory interviews and a reliance on stock answers to fill out forms would certainly be a draw to an overworked and overwhelmed agency. “Anything to make the job easier,” said a former Border Patrol agent I asked about falsifying I-213s. (He came forward last year as a whistleblower about the agency’s anti-immigrant culture.)

    Some of these cases do seem like hurried clerical errors made by officers triaging sometimes hundreds of cases a day, said Jodi Ziesemer, director of immigrant protection at New York Legal Assistance Group; it’s as if an immigration officer “clearly put someone’s name and [alien registration number] on the top of someone else’s form.” Genevra Alberti, a private attorney in Kansas City, Missouri, described a client who was picked up by ICE on her way to work while wearing her work uniform. Her I-213, however, said she claimed she was unemployed. “I’m not sure if they were not paying attention, wrote the document a day later, or just winged it,” Alberti hazarded.
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    The more nefarious reason for erroneous information appearing on these forms would be deliberate falsification to save time or scuttle asylum claims — something that’s harder to prove. But lawyers say it’s difficult to otherwise explain how completely off-base the information often is. Shunting apprehended migrants into expedited removal — which is only possible if a migrant doesn’t claim that they are afraid to return to their country of origin — saves the agents both time and paperwork. It may also serve an ideological goal of denying more people entry. Indeed, the White House may see Border Patrol’s flippancy with asylum-seekers’ stories as an asset; Trump adviser Stephen Miller reportedly wants Border Patrol to do more asylum screenings because he thinks they will be less credulous of claims.

    Agents may also lie on forms to give themselves cover for detaining someone on the basis of racial profiling. Zittlau, the attorney in San Diego, describes this as “reverse-engineering.” ICE or Border Patrol agents stop and search brown-skinned Latinos, Zittlau explains, and when they come across someone who doesn’t have authorization to be in the U.S., they then fabricate a story for why they stopped them. The Intercept cross-referenced some of Zittlau’s client affidavits with their I-213s and found a host of inconsistencies or boilerplate language.

    For instance, Zittlau showed me two I-213s prepared by the same Border Patrol agent after two separate traffic stops in Southern California where he questioned Latino drivers on their legal status. The stops, both on Interstate 15, were three months apart, but he wrote down an identical justification: “the driver’s posture appeared to be stiff, rigid, and appeared to be white knuckling the steering wheel from being overly nervous.” In both instances, the agent claimed that the vehicle slowed down “dramatically” from 70 to 60 mph; except for the make and model of the vehicle, the descriptions were verbatim. The false information in cases like these may or may not influence a person’s claim to remain in the U.S., but either way, it underscores the impunity with which officers present a manhandled version of the truth.

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    Honest to god, I can't even read this sh*t anymore. It makes me want anyone and everyone who works for ICE and CBP shot out of a cannon.

    And yeah, chalk that up to my "anger issues", I guess.
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    What was it, God? Was I couple bucks short in the collection plate? What's your beef with me? Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    What was it, God? Was I couple bucks short in the collection plate? What's your beef with me? Seriously?
    Arizona. Nothing for you to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Arizona. Nothing for you to worry about.
    Family lives there, going to retire there.

    The reason I hopefully don't have to worry is he wants to flip a blue seat. Such blue seats as there are in AZ are either the educated part of the state or the Latino majority part of the state. Both groups will identify Shilling as both a moron and a danger.

    AZ is struggling towards sentience. Much like MD and VA were lifted out of idiocy by the New York diaspora, AZ is being civilized by Californians. Large parts of the state are still a pristine natural reservoir of Amon Bundy-style derp, but they are gradually being overwhelmed by the HS graduate portion of the electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Family lives there, going to retire there.

    The reason I hopefully don't have to worry is he wants to flip a blue seat. Such blue seats as there are in AZ are either the educated part of the state or the Latino majority part of the state. Both groups will identify Shilling as both a moron and a danger.

    AZ is struggling towards sentience. Much like MD and VA were lifted out of idiocy by the New York diaspora, AZ is being civilized by Californians. Large parts of the state are still a pristine natural reservoir of Amon Bundy-style derp, but they are gradually being overwhelmed by the HS graduate portion of the electorate.
    Kep - MD? Been reliably blue since I moved here in 19i0. Gerrymandering eliminated 2 GOP House seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Kep - MD? Been reliably blue since I moved here in 19i0. Gerrymandering eliminated 2 GOP House seats.
    Maybe it's because of my racist College Park uncle but my impression of MD in the 70s and 80s is it was what NC is now -- some signs of intelligent life but for the most part just another Slave State backwater.
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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

    This isn’t complicated


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    This isn’t complicated

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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

    If anything, this is evidence that CA does not overly aggressively purge its voter rolls - they’re trying to make sure that all eligible voters are able to vote so that the elections are as fair as possible.

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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

    Is this a thing now?
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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

    Does bottled water expire???

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Does bottled water expire???

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    Re: The States: North Dakota? Come On, Ohio Is The Worst State Ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Does bottled water expire???

    https://trib.al/VYJYzBR
    Now bear with me, here. Could there be a problem with the water leaching out something from the container? Like if you buried a plastic water bottle and dug it up in 10,000 years would the water inside be some sort of a plasticish-water compound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Now bear with me, here. Could there be a problem with the water leaching out something from the container? Like if you buried a plastic water bottle and dug it up in 10,000 years would the water inside be some sort of a plasticish-water compound?
    Could, but that would take years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Now bear with me, here. Could there be a problem with the water leaching out something from the container? Like if you buried a plastic water bottle and dug it up in 10,000 years would the water inside be some sort of a plasticish-water compound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Could, but that would take years.
    Nestle says it's only two years for their bottled water.
    https://www.nestle-watersna.com/en/w...ater-be-stored

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    Also, warm temperatures can accelerate the off gassing from the plastic bottles. Obviously.

    https://www.today.com/health/bottled...ts-say-t132687

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    State regulations are so pesky. killed another business!
    How on earth would Kansas not require the work of engineers or need an inspection??

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    State regulations are so pesky. killed another business!
    How on earth would Kansas not require the work of engineers or need an inspection??

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    I thought I knew about this story (that the designers weren't engineers) but my god:

    In 2012, the Schlitterbahn co-owner Jeff Henry, together with the senior designer John Schooley, fast-tracked Verrückt’s construction to coincide with an appearance on a reality TV show about amusement parks. (They were also gunning for a Guinness World Record.) Although they had built rides before, neither Henry nor Schooley had a background in mechanical engineering. And according to state law, they didn’t need those credentials to deem their own ride safe. Unlike in the neighboring state of Missouri, water parks in Kansas do not require inspections by a state agency. Still, Henry and Schooley delayed the ride’s opening three times due to safety concerns.

    “There wasn't a lot of science or ride engineering involved in the testing and design,” Truesdell said. “They were sending sandbags down and basically hoping that they didn't fly off of the slide. The netting that ultimately ended up killing the child was added to prevent the rafts from flying off of the slide completely.”

    In the film, Schooley speaks to a reporter after having tested the ride himself. “That was really exciting because we truly didn’t know whether we were going to survive it or not,” he says. “A ride might be scary, but you figure that they have it figured out. We didn’t know whether we had it figured out or not.”

    As chance would have it, Schwab’s father was a Kansas state representative. On the day of Caleb’s accident, the Schwab family had been visiting the water park for Elected Official Day, an annual promotion from Schlitterbahn that offered free admission to Kansas elected officials and their families.

    Henry and Schooley were ultimately indicted on charges of aggravated battery, aggravated endangerment of a child, interference with law enforcement, and involuntary manslaughter. Henry faced a charge of second-degree murder. The state alleged that the two men had rushed forward with the ride’s construction without the technical expertise required to design a properly functioning waterslide, skipped “fundamental steps in the design process,” and relied “almost entirely on crude trial-and-error methods” for safety testing.

    According to court documents, a team of experts who inspected the ride after Caleb's death found “physical evidence that indicated that other rafts had gone airborne and collided with the overhead hoops and netting before the fatality.” What’s more, on July 3, 2014—one week before the ride’s grand opening—an engineering firm that was hired to perform accelerometer tests on Verrückt’s rafts issued a d-mning report that “guaranteed that rafts would occasionally go airborne in a manner that could severely injure or kill the occupants.” Other documents cited evidence of nearly a dozen Schlitterbahn customers who had been injured on the ride; according to evidence submitted by the state, Schlitterbahn buried or downplayed many of these reports.
    The charges against them were dismissed.

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