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    There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    The possible consequences of the recent election in the United Kingdom.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...de?tid=HP_lede

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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    Not sure that this will make it as a thread, but I'll contribute.

    UK has been on a potential course to leave or at least downgrade the EU. While UK may feel ready to leave the EU...I'm not sure England would feel comfortable going out on its own. London is a powerhouse...but the concept of England on its own is a bit daunting.
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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    Interesting article. Seems like quite a dance Cameron will be making in the coming years regarding the EU and Scotland. The simplest result is staying in the EU and then Scotland is more satisfied to stay in the UK. Leave the EU and lots of things get interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    Interesting article. Seems like quite a dance Cameron will be making in the coming years regarding the EU and Scotland. The simplest result is staying in the EU and then Scotland is more satisfied to stay in the UK. Leave the EU and lots of things get interesting.
    There's a huge financial commitment to staying in the EU. As one of their most stable countries, both politically and economically, they'd continue to have to bail out countries like Greece and Italy, saving them from themselves. The Brits will need to weigh the tax cost of staying in the union vs. the added transaction costs of leaving it. I'm sure many someones out there have a whole host of analyses done on that very subject, all with widely differring outcomes. And none of it will mean a thing if he can't sell his decision politically.
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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    I think Cameron needs to make good on his promise to hold an EU referendum. I also think once you do that you lose control of the situation. If the voters want out I don't think he's going to be able to use that to wring more concessions out of the EU. They're going to say "get lost" and the British public is going to see screw you to Brussels. An interesting situation to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I think Cameron needs to make good on his promise to hold an EU referendum. I also think once you do that you lose control of the situation. If the voters want out I don't think he's going to be able to use that to wring more concessions out of the EU. They're going to say "get lost" and the British public is going to see screw you to Brussels. An interesting situation to say the least.
    I think Cameron gets the EU to give up something symbolic in exchange for something under the table. The you'll have the Tories, Labour, the Lib-Dems, SNP, and Greens all pushing for staying in against only UKIP, who can be depended on to say or do something utterly disgusting.

    (Unless the SNP tries to double cross to give them an excuse for another exit vote.)
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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    Is UKIP the remnants of the old British Nazi er, "National" Party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Is UKIP the remnants of the old British Nazi er, "National" Party?
    It's a generational reboot. Same slogans. Favorite color white, etc. UKIP is less overtly racist, but they're after the same creeps -- a little like the Tea Party's dog whistles to hard core Klan types.

    Here's how one set of right wing racists criticizes the other set of right wing racists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's a generational reboot. Same slogans. Favorite color white, etc. UKIP is less overtly racist, but they're after the same creeps -- a little like the Tea Party's dog whistles to hard core Klan types.

    Here's how one set of right wing racists criticizes the other set of right wing racists.

    Damian Thompson over at the Spectator has an analysis of the last election. Regarding the UKIP he has them divided into Red UKIP and Blue UKIP. Here's the post:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/damian-...ctarian-chaos/

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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    Pat is a fan of tribalism. Wonder if he will apply it to our country?

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    Pat's version of American tribalism is in everything he writes. You're a real American if you got here right up through the Irish. After that, you're not legitimate and he'll deport you for your own cultural good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Pat's version of American tribalism is in everything he writes. You're a real American if you got here right up through the Irish. After that, you're not legitimate and he'll deport you for your own cultural good.

    I thought he didn't want the Irish??

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    Re: There will always be an England, but maybe not a UK.

    Labour not supporting Labour? Wot!?

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    I don't know anything about UK pols, but if it's against the Irish, f 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Labour not supporting Labour? Wot!?

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/brendan...long-time-ago/
    Sounds like some wishful thinking by a temporarily triumphalist Tory.

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    I don't know anything about UK pols, but if it's against the Irish, f 'em.
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    More on the love that Labour lost
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