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    Quote Originally Posted by sameoldfury View Post
    Yeah I think this is an oversimplification that media outlets love to spout! "Millenials are ruining [insert industry here]!" "Why aren't milennials buying the Clapper?!"

    I think young people love sports as much as any other generation, but they're focused on other things, like paying rent and student debt.
    I just finished reading Dan Shaughnessy’s column in the Globe and the comments that were triggered because of it. Wouldn’t you know it but, according to some, baseball will die because of those ****ed millenials. They don’t like baseball, football, basketball or hockey. I find this generalizing and age bashing ridiculous and a product of lazy thinking, in that, if we can’t come up with a cogent argument about why the sport is failing we’ll just blame it on millenials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    So what you're saying is, let's keep JB on board, give up entirely on developing media-related game income, play the HE Tourney at Agganis Arena, and prepare for D-1 Hockey to become D-1 Volleyball?

    That's a pretty bleak outlook, Greg. Can we at least hire someone who might try to do a little better?
    So Chuck, which of the candidates profiles on the home page here is going to magically convince folks to fill the Garden for the HE final? Or persuade NESN to employ production teams for those riveting Friday night games between Merrimack and Northeastern? The glory days of college hockey are over. The most talented kids leave early or don’t even play college at all. And there are too many alternatives for the demographic that should be the focus of college sports, the students. You may snicker at the idea of playing the HE final at Conte or Agganis, but if the league is losing money hosting the tournament at the Garden and they can turn a profit at another, smaller venue, you can bet there will be a change no matter who is in charge. This is what Joe’s departure is all about. Money.

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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    So Chuck, which of the candidates profiles on the home page here is going to magically convince folks to fill the Garden for the HE final? Or persuade NESN to employ production teams for those riveting Friday night games between Merrimack and Northeastern? The glory days of college hockey are over. The most talented kids leave early or don’t even play college at all. And there are too many alternatives for the demographic that should be the focus of college sports, the students. You may snicker at the idea of playing the HE final at Conte or Agganis, but if the league is losing money hosting the tournament at the Garden and they can turn a profit at another, smaller venue, you can bet there will be a change no matter who is in charge. This is what Joe’s departure is all about. Money.
    Demand is governed by cost. Lower tickets to draw in students, who create a culture of following the teams on weekends. Price them out of going, and they're not going to suddenly decide in March to fork over 100 bucs. It's an amazing mismatch between the customers they want to get money from (rich corporations, rich alumni) and the lifeblood of a college team (college students).

    Basic marginal pricing tells corps how much a particular event yields. Looking short term tells you 100 ticks at $40 is better than 195 ticks at $20. Of course, having a longer term vision tells you 195 ticks are better, because you double the fan base, mostly the youth market.

    But when you have teams like UNH trying to milk every last dollar once the team became popular, you priced the youth out of the market.

    Not only does targetting the wrong market show a lack of a long term vision, but also the lack of actual enthusiam in the crowd.

    Thankfully, hitting rock bottom causes the marketing plan to die, returning back to the proper model.

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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    So Chuck, which of the candidates profiles on the home page here is going to magically convince folks to fill the Garden for the HE final? Or persuade NESN to employ production teams for those riveting Friday night games between Merrimack and Northeastern?
    Is this a trick question? None of them, actually. I think I said that on here a few days ago.

    The list JC put up was just a bunch of his pals looking for a push for their commish candidacy.

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    The glory days of college hockey are over. The most talented kids leave early or don’t even play college at all. And there are too many alternatives for the demographic that should be the focus of college sports, the students.
    I tend to agree, the "glory days" era when HE had big personalities leading their best programs is all but gone. Walshy passed, Parker got run out of town on a rail, and York (not sure he's a "personality" like the other two anyway?) is slowly fading into oblivion as his retirement grows closer and closer. Umile was never on a par with those guys FWIW, but he's gone too.

    Some of the other posters have written from the millennials' perspective, and they're too busy working to pay down enormous debt incurred at their schools. The schools kvetching about dwindling sports revenue may amount to robbing Peter to pay Paul to some degree. Throw in the campus activism factor (yeah, I realize I'm getting a little far afield here) on the "other things to do" front, and that's another obstacle. No one said any of this was going to be easy. I just want someone who'll try to do something different. JB has been on cruise control for many years now, and has been paid very well for doing very little IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    You may snicker at the idea of playing the HE final at Conte or Agganis, but if the league is losing money hosting the tournament at the Garden and they can turn a profit at another, smaller venue, you can bet there will be a change no matter who is in charge.
    I don't disagree … but I'd like to see if HE can turn the ship around and do better, if you don't mind?

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    This is what Joe’s departure is all about. Money.
    No kidding. And JB won't be leaving a job he clearly isn't wanted in anymore for the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Demand is governed by cost. Lower tickets to draw in students, who create a culture of following the teams on weekends. Price them out of going, and they're not going to suddenly decide in March to fork over 100 bucs. It's an amazing mismatch between the customers they want to get money from (rich corporations, rich alumni) and the lifeblood of a college team (college students).

    Basic marginal pricing tells corps how much a particular event yields. Looking short term tells you 100 ticks at $40 is better than 195 ticks at $20. Of course, having a longer term vision tells you 195 ticks are better, because you double the fan base, mostly the youth market.

    But when you have teams like UNH trying to milk every last dollar once the team became popular, you priced the youth out of the market.

    Not only does targetting the wrong market show a lack of a long term vision, but also the lack of actual enthusiam in the crowd.

    Thankfully, hitting rock bottom causes the marketing plan to die, returning back to the proper model
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    Speaking of which … now with UNH Hockey being the "only show in town" with the folding of the Monarchs, has there been any ongoing discussion in Durham about how UNH has now been handed an opportunity to reassert themselves as the State's prime competitive spectator hockey experience?

    Or are we all breathlessly awaiting SNHU to start fielding D-1 hockey and hoops programs in the city?

    I know - OT and probably best discussed on the UNH thread - but you guys are here so
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Boy there's a whole lot of truth on this thread. Greg basically unloaded a truth bomb from the Enola Gay.

    The glory days are over for us here in HE and all of college hockey. And while it has little to do with the hockey discussion, I assure you millennials really really really do suck. And I'd like to point out these young, whiny, dumb people that cannot put their phones down are NOT special; we had significant student debt too we just didn't whine about it like crybabies for attention and worked to pay it off because we had a sense of responsibility to pay it off rather than having a completely unfounded sense of entitlement. And while people my age now displace a grumpy generation of baby boomers, we respect the path they paved and carry that torch to some degree.... just with things like Excel and not an abacus.
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    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Boy there's a whole lot of truth on this thread. Greg basically unloaded a truth bomb from the Enola Gay.

    The glory days are over for us here in HE and all of college hockey. And while it has little to do with the hockey discussion, I assure you millennials really really really do suck. And I'd like to point out these young, whiny, dumb people that cannot put their phones down are NOT special; we had significant student debt too we just didn't whine about it like crybabies for attention and worked to pay it off because we had a sense of responsibility to pay it off rather than having a completely unfounded sense of entitlement. And while people my age now displace a grumpy generation of baby boomers, we respect the path they paved and carry that torch to some degree.... just with things like Excel and not an abacus.
    You're not setting a great example for how not to be whiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Boy there's a whole lot of truth on this thread. Greg basically unloaded a truth bomb from the Enola Gay.

    The glory days are over for us here in HE and all of college hockey. And while it has little to do with the hockey discussion, I assure you millennials really really really do suck. And I'd like to point out these young, whiny, dumb people that cannot put their phones down are NOT special; we had significant student debt too we just didn't whine about it like crybabies for attention and worked to pay it off because we had a sense of responsibility to pay it off rather than having a completely unfounded sense of entitlement. And while people my age now displace a grumpy generation of baby boomers, we respect the path they paved and carry that torch to some degree.... just with things like Excel and not an abacus.
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    So what you're saying is, let's keep JB on board, give up entirely on developing media-related game income, play the HE Tourney at Agganis Arena, and prepare for D-1 Hockey to become D-1 Volleyball?

    That's a pretty bleak outlook, Greg. Can we at least hire someone who might try to do a little better?
    D-1 Volleyball is probably the best comparison. They have six programs having 100 percent or higher capacity last season and 54 programs that draw over 1k per match.

    Hockey on the other hand has two teams in Notre Dame and Penn State above 100 percent and 54 programs above 1k fans per game.
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    Chill out on the attendance talk, guys.

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    The hockey east tourney at the garden is still a strong event
    Attendance has been in 12-13 thousand range for a few years now
    Not the glory years but no need to go back to smaller campus sites

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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    18,113 in Minnesota was the 2018 NCAA Volleyball Championship Final in the Timerwolves Arena

    2018 NCAA Ice Hockey final also in Minnesota drew 18,303 in the Wild Building

    Some crazy close comparisons between the sports...but hockey attendance overall is much higher

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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Stolen from Facebook:

    (Our play begins in a dark alley in New York City)

    Millennial: What do you want us to kill?
    Anonymous Business Executive: Styrofoam cups. We desperately need them gone.
    Millennial: We'll need €2,000,000,000 deposited in this Swiss Bank account by close of business tomorrow. Styrofoam cups will be dead by next month.
    Anonymous Business Executive: You...You can do it that quickly?
    Millennial: You saw what we did to mayonnaise? We can do it sooner but it'll cost you.
    Anonymous Business Executive: No, we need to ramp up production of our alternative.
    Millennial: After tonight there will be no contact between us. The decision is irrevocable. Are you sure you want to go ahead?
    Anonymous Business Executive: Yes. Our business depends on it.

    (And scene...)

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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    What did millennials do to mayonnaise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
    What did millennials do to mayonnaise?
    No longer a preferred condiment. We love our avocados on everything...
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    Dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
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    I’m still using mayo, millennials be d*mned. No offense to any millennials on this board.

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    They fired Bertagna for suggesting that HEA take UAH in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
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    I’m still using mayo, millennials be d*mned. No offense to any millennials on this board.
    Huh. Link shows up for me. Anyway, here's a few reactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    They fired Bertagna for suggesting that HEA take UAH in.

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