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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    There's a plan out there to have a European Super League where the top 20 or so money teams in Europe leave domestic leagues behind and play each other. The TV money would be staggering.

    That would make the EPL and other domestic leagues more equitable but the pie would be considerably smaller.

    Curious what some of our experts around here think of the plan.
    Would it be a fixed league or would it be like a season-long ECL, and then the next season there would be pro/rel from the rest of the Euro field?

    If it's fixed it just becomes MLB. Presumably the people who hate pro/rel will rejoice. All of the rest of European soccer now becomes the minor leagues. Eventually maybe they'll even become formally affiliated with major clubs as AAA, AA, A... Blech. But there's a sh-t ton of money in it.

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    Barcelona
    Athletico Madrid

    ManU
    ManCity
    Chelsea
    Arsenal
    Liverpool

    Bayern
    Dortmund

    Juventus
    Inter
    Roma
    Milan

    PSG
    Marseille

    Ajax
    Eindhoven

    Benfica
    Porto
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    There's a plan out there to have a European Super League where the top 20 or so money teams in Europe leave domestic leagues behind and play each other. The TV money would be staggering.

    That would make the EPL and other domestic leagues more equitable but the pie would be considerably smaller.

    Curious what some of our experts around here think of the plan.
    That’s been on the table for 20+ years. It’s a tool used by the G-14 clubs whenever something is to be negotiated. It’s how the Champions League was expanded, it’s how dates on the international calendar were agreed upon, it’s how clubs got compensation for injuries at major international tournaments.

    It would be a competition that would make the money the NFL pulls in seem like peanuts.

    I’d also guess that 10-15 mid tier PL/Championship clubs would go into administration after a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Would it be a fixed league or would it be like a season-long ECL, and then the next season there would be pro/rel from the rest of the Euro field?

    If it's fixed it just becomes MLB. Presumably the people who hate pro-rel will rejoice. All of the rest of European soccer now becomes the minor leagues. Eventually maybe they'll even become formally affiliated with major clubs as AAA, AA, A... Blech. But there's a sh-t ton of money in it.
    It’d be a fixed league, no way anyone involved is going to risk giving up that check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    I’d also guess that 10-15 mid tier PL/Championship clubs would go into administration after a year.
    Not if the transfer fees for their best players matched the new superleague's profitability.

    They would have to junk their stadiums > 50k but who has those other than the teams that would go? Spurs. Lazio. West Ham. Napoli. Valencia. Mönchengladbach. Newcastle.

    Anybody else?

    Maybe the seceding teams could pay a hefty restitution for gutting the national leagues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Not if the transfer fees for their best players matched the new superleague's profitability.

    They would have to junk their stadiums > 50k but who has those other than the teams that would go? Spurs. Lazio. West Ham. Napoli. Valencia. Mönchengladbach. Newcastle.

    Anybody else?

    Maybe the seceding teams could pay a hefty restitution for gutting the national leagues?
    Every team in the Championship spends more money than they bring in and lower level PL teams are largely relying upon that TV money to barely make profits. And most of those teams are carrying huge debt loads from financing their PL ambitions.

    Take away the big teams and that TV money will be a fraction of what it is now but the debt will still exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Every team in the Championship spends more money than they bring in and lower level PL teams are largely relying upon that TV money to barely make profits. And most of those teams are carrying huge debt loads from financing their PL ambitions.

    Take away the big teams and that TV money will be a fraction of what it is now but the debt will still exist.
    But they won't be spending nearly the same amount of money because they will no longer be in an arms race with the EPL teams.

    It will be like the teams that got left behind by the power 5 consolidation in the NC$$. They survived. They don't run as hot but they are also more stable. SMU, Houston, Rice, UTEP, BYU, UNM, ...

    I agree the debt is something that needs to be solved so I recommend a condition of the formation of the superleague is the golden teams buy it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Every team in the Championship spends more money than they bring in and lower level PL teams are largely relying upon that TV money to barely make profits. And most of those teams are carrying huge debt loads from financing their PL ambitions.

    Take away the big teams and that TV money will be a fraction of what it is now but the debt will still exist.
    How many of the big clubs are actually revenue positive anyway? Man U just announced a £350M debt, the Chelsea debt is over £1 billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    How many of the big clubs are actually revenue positive anyway? Man U just announced a £350M debt, the Chelsea debt is over £1 billion.
    Is this like our teams and leagues who cry poverty as part of leverage while meanwhile they'll rolling in it on a different set of books?

    It's not a charity. If it wasn't profitable the owners wouldn't be there, they'd be investing in bauxite or Amazon or human trafficking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Is this like our teams and leagues who cry poverty as part of leverage while meanwhile they'll rolling in it on a different set of books?

    It's not a charity. If it wasn't profitable the owners wouldn't be there, they'd be investing in bauxite or Amazon or human trafficking.
    As I understand it, the owners basically leverage the crap out of the football teams. It's like late game Monopoly where no one can afford to buy Boardwalk so it goes for $15 at auction and is immediately mortgaged for $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    As I understand it, the owners basically leverage the crap out of the football teams. It's like late game Monopoly where no one can afford to buy Boardwalk so it goes for $15 at auction and is immediately mortgaged for $200.
    Yup, build up the value by spending into debt for success then sell the club for more than what you paid, making a nice profit, while keeping said debt with the club instead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    But they won't be spending nearly the same amount of money because they will no longer be in an arms race with the EPL teams.
    Player salaries and transfer fees won’t be the only thing to go down though. Attendance, ticket prices, sponsorships (how many PL teams have Asian betting sites as sponsors FFS), all that income would be cut as well and potentially put them at an income level lower than their debt requirements.

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    Of course, with looming Brexit chaos we might get a crash of English soccer anyway...

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    This Euro final playoff stage format is more confusing than cricket

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    Mourinho hired.
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    Mourinho hired.
    This gives the club time to scout his replacement in 2-3 seasons.

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    This gives the club time to scout his replacement in 2-3 seasons.
    Yeah, he's got a short shelf life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonofSouthie View Post
    Mourinho hired.
    Seriously? That was just a meme a few hours ago; and one response was 'Too soon'
    Guess it wasn't too soon...

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