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    Jim, I'm assuming this play is an indirect free kick rather than a penalty because it's not a scoring opportunity being taken away because the offense wasn't the team who kicked it towards the goal?

    I feel like this almost puts the offense at a disadvantage because the defense can load all 11 in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    Jim, I'm assuming this play is an indirect free kick rather than a penalty because it's not a scoring opportunity being taken away because the offense wasn't the team who kicked it towards the goal?

    I feel like this almost puts the offense at a disadvantage because the defense can load all 11 in.
    The reasoning was linked in the article. The referee called the goalkeeper for handling the ball after it was deliberately played to him by a teammate (or in simple terms a "passback") which is an indirect free kick. Because the incident took place in the goal area the IFK is moved to the top of the goal area closest to the point of the foul. The defenders have to line up on the goal line because they have to be ten yards away but they can't be off the field, thus they're six yards away on the goal line.

    It's an IFK because the rules are different for goalkeepers, they are allowed to handle the ball in their penalty area after all, so the handling offenses by them are IFKs.

    Yeah, the defense is at a bit of an advantage in these situations (and being a referee in these situations suck).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    Jim, I'm assuming this play is an indirect free kick rather than a penalty because it's not a scoring opportunity being taken away because the offense wasn't the team who kicked it towards the goal?

    I feel like this almost puts the offense at a disadvantage because the defense can load all 11 in.
    I'm also curious as to why there wasn't a whistle until Creighton regained possession some 15-20 seconds after the goal keeper committed the foul. Seems kinda backwards if it was something like "advantage" (I am totally winging it on this. Probably not close to correct terminology ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    The reasoning was linked in the article. The referee called the goalkeeper for handling the ball after it was deliberately played to him by a teammate (or in simple terms a "passback") which is an indirect free kick. Because the incident took place in the goal area the IFK is moved to the top of the goal area closest to the point of the foul. The defenders have to line up on the goal line because they have to be ten yards away but they can't be off the field, thus they're six yards away on the goal line.

    It's an IFK because the rules are different for goalkeepers, they are allowed to handle the ball in their penalty area after all, so the handling offenses by them are IFKs.

    Yeah, the defense is at a bit of an advantage in these situations (and being a referee in these situations suck).
    What's the rationale for the rule being different for a goalkeeper? Why not extend handball=PK to all players in the event of a passback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    I'm also curious as to why there wasn't a whistle until Creighton regained possession some 15-20 seconds after the goal keeper committed the foul. Seems kinda backwards if it was something like "advantage" (I am totally winging it on this. Probably not close to correct terminology ).
    From the looks of the video I'm guessing the referee missed the call initially and was bailed out by the AR or the 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
    What's the rationale for the rule being different for a goalkeeper? Why not extend handball=PK to all players in the event of a passback?
    Because it wasn't illegal until the early 90's (it was changed after the godawful 1990 World Cup) and they didn't want to punish it more severely than the other offenses that can be committed by the GK like the six seconds rule or the double touch rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    The reasoning was linked in the article. The referee called the goalkeeper for handling the ball after it was deliberately played to him by a teammate (or in simple terms a "passback") which is an indirect free kick. Because the incident took place in the goal area the IFK is moved to the top of the goal area closest to the point of the foul. The defenders have to line up on the goal line because they have to be ten yards away but they can't be off the field, thus they're six yards away on the goal line.

    It's an IFK because the rules are different for goalkeepers, they are allowed to handle the ball in their penalty area after all, so the handling offenses by them are IFKs.

    Yeah, the defense is at a bit of an advantage in these situations (and being a referee in these situations suck).
    I’ve seen it ONCE when I was reffing a game. It was not fun trying to explain to the coaches what was going on. Nobody but us three refs knew what was happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I’ve seen it ONCE when I was reffing a game. It was not fun trying to explain to the coaches what was going on. Nobody but us three refs knew what was happening.
    Since I recently became an Instructor I always like to say to newer refs “Study up on this stuff. The more you ref the more likely it is crazy stuff like this will happen and you’ll have to know what to do.”

    IFKs from the top of the goal area are one of the worst (still doesn’t beat “player taking the ball to the corner, where your AR is not at, to waste time”). Trying to a) keep all the defenders ON the goal line, b) monitor the team taking the kick and c) trying to stay out of the way of any potential play while doing a and b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Nobody but us three refs knew what was happening.
    Which is pretty much anytime you ref a youth soccer game.
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    Wait - I swear I've seen passbacks to the K handled before without penalty?

    Anyway this is awesome:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Wait - I swear I've seen passbacks to the K handled before without penalty?

    Anyway this is awesome:

    Can't use your foot. You can head it back and they can still handle it.

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    Can't use your foot. You can head it back and they can still handle it.
    you can use anything but your foot...if I'm not mistaken, you can backpass with your shin and the goalie can pick it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    you can use anything but your foot...if I'm not mistaken, you can backpass with your shin and the goalie can pick it up.
    Yeah the wording in the Laws is very specific:
    it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate

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    What is the point of having VAR if it nitpicks over some calls and then actually misses "clear and obvious" ones? All indications are that this play wasn't even considered for review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    What is the point of having VAR if it nitpicks over some calls and then actually misses "clear and obvious" ones? All indications are that this play wasn't even considered for review.
    Because that’s a terrible angle to review from and the ones available showed he clearly wasn’t in an offside position?

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    He's not offsides, he scores off his arm.
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    Re: World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

    Here's a better angle:
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    Re: World Soccer XXX: We Have Men Too!

    ffs his hand and arm completely moved after contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    ffs his hand and arm completely moved after contact.
    Tell me how VAR doesn't even recommend that for review? Whats the point if something that clear and obvious is missed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    Tell how VAR doesn't even recommend that for review? Whats the point if something that clear and obvious is missed?
    Best I can say:

    A) MLS isn’t using the new LOTG yet because the season started before they were released.

    B) His arms look to be in a natural position for someone jumping and he doesn’t move his arm towards the ball.

    I mean this why they changed the Laws for this.

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