Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post


    How is that even supposed to refute the article? Your comparison isn't even a good one. Bernie was a far left candidate and Trump was a far right. They would have had to pass over a moderate Dem to get to Trump...
    I'm providing context because without it the number itself is essentially meaningless. There's always gonna be fringe people in any voting population that votes in a way that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I wouldn't even doubt there was some (small) percentage of Kasich/Cruz/whoever voters that voted for Hillary over Trump. This happens in every primary and it happened in far greater numbers in 2008 with a more establishment dem candidate.

    McCain (perceived to be a moderate,right Rep) meant going half as far to either end of the spectrum.
    The guy never found a war he didn't support and this was while we were already in two forever wars, his answer to a tanked economy was austerity, and he brought on Palin who is a racist buffoon as his VP all the while using racist dog whistles toward the end of his campaign implying Obama had links to terrorists or took money from Palestinian voters. This is all pretty "far right" by any reasonable metric, he didn't use as much fascist rhetoric as Trump but the Republicans used to be more subtle about these things. He also voted with Trump 83% of the time and only voted against him on healthcare either for personal reasons or because the bill wasn't crazy enough for his liking depending on which version you believe.
    Last edited by trixR4kids; 08-15-2019, 03:25 PM.

    Comment


    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

      McCain was a time serving fraud but it's fun to lionize him now because Dump is obviously so jealous of his legacy. At some level of vegetable sentience Dump realizes he will be remembered as a turd in the American punch bowl and his "movement" as the delusional squealing of Illinois Nazis. That a figure who had no respect for him is respected reminds him he is a fraud.

      I'd twist that knife whenever I got the chance.
      Cornell University
      National Champion 1967, 1970
      ECAC Champion 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1980, 1986, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010
      Ivy League Champion 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020

      Comment


      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

        I get it but lionizing McCain and all the awful garbage he supported is just another example of people acting like Trump is the problem that needs to be solved rather than defeating the Republican party and all the regressive garbage they support. Trump didn't just come out of nowhere, he is the natural progression of their constituents' desires.

        Comment


        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

          Something like 34% of kasich backers went for Hillary. It’s in the article I believe.
          Code:
          As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
          College Hockey 6       College Football 0
          BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
          Originally posted by SanTropez
          May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
          Originally posted by bigblue_dl
          I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
          Originally posted by Kepler
          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

          Comment


          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

            That's interesting. For the record I'm not trying to refute the article as much as the arguments those numbers have been used in by certain disingenuous morons.

            Comment


            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Exactly. Bernie recruited many non-voters into the system who then voted for Dump. These aren't liberals, they are "burn it to the ground." So when people suggest it was Bernie turncoats who betrayed Hillary by going over to Dump they are missing the point. Those people would never have backed another establishment candidate, Dem or GOP. They were arsonists. They liked Bernie's rhetoric and then they liked Dump's persona as an outside changemaker.
              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              That's understandable I guess.
              Yes. It makes sense.

              Comment


              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Exactly. Bernie recruited many non-voters into the system who then voted for Dump. These aren't liberals, they are "burn it to the ground." So when people suggest it was Bernie turncoats who betrayed Hillary by going over to Dump they are missing the point. Those people would never have backed another establishment candidate, Dem or GOP. They were arsonists. They liked Bernie's rhetoric and then they liked Dump's persona as an outside changemaker.

                I expect these people to stay with Dump because he's still feeding the trolls who want to watch the world burn. They probably didn't even give Bernie a look this time around. They've found a home with the Republican terrorists.
                That is why the Dems not need go after the true MAGAs. Go after the anti-Hills. Dems will win under that plan.
                Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
                Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens

                Comment


                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  There's a difference between writing a state off and understanding the long term trends. What part of "the white working class is now permanently right wing" don't you understand?

                  We may still be able to squeeze some juice out it one more time, but "450 is my truck and my Math SAT" is Republican forever.

                  The realignment of politics in this country is now stable: poorly educated whites and any straggler white fundamentalists not captured by the first category vs the field. That lumpenproletariot isn't getting any bigger. The GOP's only hope is massive suppression measures, restricting redistricting to citizens, and outright ballot theft. Even then, if we remain a democracy the GOP cannot survive demographically as anything but a regional, white power party. Hence the full-throated embrace of fascism by the right now.
                  I think the point is we need to see it happen more than once to assume it is a lock from now on. Without a candidate you cant say who will win what and why. I dont think WI and MI are as "lost" as the Chicken Littles do and the Party has to assume they arent or they are wasting their time anyways. It isnt like Trump landslided there or anything he won the "Trump Coalition States" by like 200k TOTAL and turnout was down.
                  "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                  -aparch

                  "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                  -INCH

                  Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                  -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

                  Comment


                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    I think the point is we need to see it happen more than once to assume it is a lock from now on. Without a candidate you cant say who will win what and why. I dont think WI and MI are as "lost" as the Chicken Littles do and the Party has to assume they arent or they are wasting their time anyways. It isnt like Trump landslided there or anything he won the "Trump Coalition States" by like 200k TOTAL and turnout was down.
                    In my opinion it was a harbinger.
                    Cornell University
                    National Champion 1967, 1970
                    ECAC Champion 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, 1980, 1986, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2005, 2010
                    Ivy League Champion 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020

                    Comment


                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      I think the point is we need to see it happen more than once to assume it is a lock from now on. Without a candidate you cant say who will win what and why. I dont think WI and MI are as "lost" as the Chicken Littles do and the Party has to assume they arent or they are wasting their time anyways. It isnt like Trump landslided there or anything he won the "Trump Coalition States" by like 200k TOTAL and turnout was down.
                      Agreed. Ohio is part of Dumb-Dumb Land for the foreseeable future though.

                      Comment


                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                        Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                        Agreed. Ohio is part of Dumb-Dumb Land for the foreseeable future though.
                        I would definitely downgrade Ohio vs some of the other states. I base that on the state party having like zero presence anywhere for statewide races. Far different from places like IA, NC, MI, WI and PA where the Dems control some or in the case of the latter 3 all statewide offices (non-judiciary). Ohio Dems need to start from scratch, and this is one of those places where progressives should try to gain a foothold. There's nowhere to go but up, so see if voters there want a helping of democratic socialism!
                        Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                        Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

                        "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

                        Comment


                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                          Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                          Agreed. Ohio is part of Dumb-Dumb Land for the foreseeable future though.
                          As is North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas.
                          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

                          Comment


                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            I would definitely downgrade Ohio vs some of the other states. I base that on the state party having like zero presence anywhere for statewide races. Far different from places like IA, NC, MI, WI and PA where the Dems control some or in the case of the latter 3 all statewide offices (non-judiciary). Ohio Dems need to start from scratch, and this is one of those places where progressives should try to gain a foothold. There's nowhere to go but up, so see if voters there want a helping of democratic socialism!
                            Unfortunately Whitmer is proving to be a boring conservadem governor thus far, in part because she has to work with a legislature full of Nazis, but unlike trix I'm OK with that. The State Dems need to make a hard push to win State Rep/Senate seats and local races in 2020.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                              Unfortunately Whitmer is proving to be a boring conservadem governor thus far, in part because she has to work with a legislature full of Nazis, but unlike trix I'm OK with that. The State Dems need to make a hard push to win State Rep/Senate seats and local races in 2020.
                              Exactly! The GOP ascendancy was/is due to their concentration on local/state races. The Ds looked at DC as the big prize and oopsed.

                              You've realized that error and moved to correct it. Good.
                              CCT '77 & '78
                              4 kids
                              5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                              1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                              ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                              I want to live forever. So far, so good.

                              Comment


                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Exactly! The GOP ascendancy was/is due to their concentration on local/state races. The Ds looked at DC as the big prize and oopsed.

                                You've realized that error and moved to correct it. Good.
                                Umm Joe, I've realized this error for several years now. It's the State Dem parties who need to get a fooking clue.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X