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Originally posted by ericredaxe View PostAnd thus illustrates the growing divide in the Democratic party... is the term "DINO" a thing yet?Go Green! Go White! Go State!
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Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View PostThere’s a difference between holding moderate views and thinking that Bernie and Warren were getting their butt kicked last night.
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There's actually very little difference between the Dems. The rest is just amplified by the media trying to gin up a "Dems in Disarray" meme for the sake of ratings until Chump starts a war somewhere. All serious Dem candidates are proposing a massive increase in government run health care. The differences pertain to keeping private insurance if you like alongside a public option or getting rid of private insurance entirely. Compared to the current status quo, that's semantics. Compared to what the Republicans would do, its like the difference between night and day.
As I've said before, some of the more progressive policies being talked about are going to take a decade of sustained electoral victories to implement. Even in a good year, the Dems will have a narrow Senate majority. That majority rests on people like Manchin, Tester, and if he wins Doug Jones. In short, we'll need to pass improvements in the next Congress that will actually make it to a Dem Prez while we build critical mass for bigger changes.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
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Originally posted by Rover View PostThere's actually very little difference between the Dems. The rest is just amplified by the media trying to gin up a "Dems in Disarray" meme for the sake of ratings until Chump starts a war somewhere. All serious Dem candidates are proposing a massive increase in government run health care. The differences pertain to keeping private insurance if you like alongside a public option or getting rid of private insurance entirely. Compared to the current status quo, that's semantics. Compared to what the Republicans would do, its like the difference between night and day.
As I've said before, some of the more progressive policies being talked about are going to take a decade of sustained electoral victories to implement. Even in a good year, the Dems will have a narrow Senate majority. That majority rests on people like Manchin, Tester, and if he wins Doug Jones. In short, we'll need to pass improvements in the next Congress that will actually make it to a Dem Prez while we build critical mass for bigger changes.
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Originally posted by Rover View PostThere's actually very little difference between the Dems. The rest is just amplified by the media trying to gin up a "Dems in Disarray" meme for the sake of ratings until Chump starts a war somewhere. All serious Dem candidates are proposing a massive increase in government run health care. The differences pertain to keeping private insurance if you like alongside a public option or getting rid of private insurance entirely. Compared to the current status quo, that's semantics. Compared to what the Republicans would do, its like the difference between night and day.
As I've said before, some of the more progressive policies being talked about are going to take a decade of sustained electoral victories to implement. Even in a good year, the Dems will have a narrow Senate majority. That majority rests on people like Manchin, Tester, and if he wins Doug Jones. In short, we'll need to pass improvements in the next Congress that will actually make it to a Dem Prez while we build critical mass for bigger changes.
Actually both paragraphs contain good points.Code:As of 9/21/10: As of 9/13/10: College Hockey 6 College Football 0 BTHC 4 WCHA FC: 1
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Originally posted by ericredaxe View PostSo in other words, as i said, ideas that can actually be implemented in the next congress vs "longer-term" ideas?Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
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Originally posted by ericredaxe View PostAnd also a difference between holding farther left views and thinking the moderates got their butt kicked last night.
Ryan and Delaney should be dropping out today after their performances last night. Beto doesn’t know what to do if he’s not the young pretty boy on stage. He looked lost with Pete up there taking away the spotlight.
Hickenlooper did alright, but as Fade said, with Pete there he doesn’t really need to be. Bullock and Klobuchar also had decent nights, but their main points seem to be that they can win because of where they live versus any of their policies.Go Green! Go White! Go State!
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Originally posted by Rover View PostThere's actually very little difference between the Dems.
That first paragraph is dead on. It’s like saying Hillary and Bernie were substantially different. They had something like an 80% overlap.Last edited by trixR4kids; 07-31-2019, 09:37 AM.
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Originally posted by ericredaxe View PostLike it or not the “moderates” are making a very good point talking about ideas that can actually get implemented vs pie-in-the-sky ideas.
Warren is doing better than Bernie. I like her as my senator. I doubt think she beats Trump if she gets the nod.
And the health care system we have right now IS SOCIALISM! When people pool their resources for the greater good, that's socialism. The difference between the "radical progressive pie in the sky" vs. what we have now is that people make a lot of money telling me how I get to use my healthcare dollars vs letting the system to work a lot better.
Just black box what's happening right now- for very many of us, our employer sends money to entity X, and that entity tells me who and what I can do if I get sick. Their ultimate responsibility, by law, is their shareholders. Change entity X to government, who will do exactly the same thing, but with the ultimate responsibility to satisfy the patient. Even with increased taxes, I'll not even notice a change in my take home pay.
How is it that the government is so evil, but for profit companies that make money laundering my money is ok? Dilbert cartoons are not funny just because, they were funny because they resonate a lot of truth. They have mis-management and corruption, too. And for non-consumer items like healthcare, they really provide no benefit.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostLmao
They were substantially different, the 20% included things like the Iraq war and doesn’t even get into their backgrounds or differences in healthcare, paying a living wage, or willingness to actually fight against billionaires.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
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Originally posted by ericredaxe View PostAnd thus illustrates the growing divide in the Democratic party... is the term "DINO" a thing yet?
You arent a Dino...you are missing the D. You are a Gary Johnson loving interloper and as such no one is taking your opinion seriously."It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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No I’m just not a moron who can’t recognize the vast difference between Delaney/Biden and Bernie. And lol at thinking that wanting progressive policies or everything you don’t like is the work of the Russians. Pretty sure Vlad doesn’t want Bernie to win... the way certain libs talk about the Russians is basically just red scare nonsense and is clearly used to deflect from how badly they failed in 2016.Last edited by trixR4kids; 07-31-2019, 10:42 AM.
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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostNo I’m just not a moron who can’t recognize the vast difference between Delaney/Biden and Bernie. And lol at thinking that wanting progressive policies or everything you don’t like is the work of the Russians. Pretty sure Vlad doesn’t want Bernie to win...Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
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