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  • Originally posted by Numbers View Post
    What can be done to fix what exists?
    ...
    Ideas?
    Every WCHA school (including Womens) has to chip in $100 every week for the next two years for Powerball tickets...
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    • Re: New WCHA is dead

      Originally posted by Numbers View Post
      ...Huntsville....The problem seems to be that, on the surface, it costs too much to travel there. I'm not really sure that is the case, but some here have indicated that getting to Huntsville is difficult at best. It seems that the program itself is solvent. It also seems, therefore, that cutting travel costs for some schools to get there is the thing which needs to be done...How do you do that?...I don't know...
      Absurdly high travel costs to get into and out of Huntsville is a fact. I've had to coordinate some events that had to be held in Huntsville for one reason or another and travel costs were a budget-buster every time. I can only imagine the financial hit on programs that have no choice but to fly for games at Huntsville.

      It's a shame since Huntsville has a long been a youth hockey outpost. But unless more airlines come in and more frequent flights are offered, which presumably would drive down prices, the expense problem will remain.
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      • Re: New WCHA is dead

        Originally posted by TalonsUpPuckDown View Post
        I agree with this. Here's what this might look like from the NCHC perspective:

        1) For the past 3-4 years, Mankato has out-PWR'ed Western and Bemidji has out-PWR'ed Miami State. Result is at worst even up for the Nachos with Mankato providing some upside.
        2) Western and Miami State contribute zilch to the Frozen Faceoff revenue stream and that's never going to change. Replacing WMU/MU with 2 more Minnesota schools is a clear win for the Nachos here.
        3) With a geographic footprint consolidation travel costs for the remaining members are reduced. Seems like a wash for DU/CC as travel to Bemidji is as bad as travel to K'zoo though it's a net win for everyone else.

        If I'm Fenton, why wouldn't I at least consider letting WMU and Miami State out for reduced/zero exit fees? Seems like I'd be better off.
        WMU has value to the Nachos as Michigan is a decent/good recruiting base.

        there isn't much value for Miami being in the Nacho. Outside of Miami and the random Blue Jacket's fan, very few in SW Ohio knows hockey exists. The value they might add is a rival for WMU and nice barn.
        Last edited by Lost_Husky; 07-11-2019, 07:25 AM.

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        • Re: New WCHA is dead

          Originally posted by Split-N View Post
          Absurdly high travel costs to get into and out of Huntsville is a fact. I've had to coordinate some events that had to be held in Huntsville for one reason or another and travel costs were a budget-buster every time. I can only imagine the financial hit on programs that have no choice but to fly for games at Huntsville.
          I don't think that anyone flies here for reasons I've already stated.

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          • Re: New WCHA is dead

            It’s hard to envision paths forward for UAH that don’t involve either:

            A- Asking existing schools to be fine with long and/or expensive trips to Alabama, or

            B- Other hockey programs appearing from nothingness in the South.
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              Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
              It’s hard to envision paths forward for UAH that don’t involve either:

              A- Asking existing schools to be fine with long and/or expensive trips to Alabama, or

              B- Other hockey programs appearing from nothingness in the South.
              C- GFM winning the Powerball

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              • Re: New WCHA is dead

                Originally posted by MTUHuskies View Post
                I may be (and am frequently) wrong but I thought the B1G has had a policy that dictates the formation of a B1G conference if 6 or more member schools compete at the D1 level in any sport and all member schools playing in said sport are obligated to compete in the B1G unless there is no B1G conference in that sport.

                If that is the case, as soon as Terry Pegula bought Penn State a team, the 6-team requirement was met and the other five had no choice but to leave the WCHA and CCHA.

                IMHO neither the WCHA (10 teams) nor the CCHA (8 teams) would have folded. Both had a good mix of schools and other than the AK schools they had relatively easy travel. Having the AK schools split between the tow made having them in conference a bit more tolerable.

                So, if I am right about the B1G, I lay the responsibility of this whole mess squarely at the feet of DU and UND as the Nacho instigators.

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                That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
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                • Originally posted by Lost_Husky View Post
                  WMU has value to the Nachos as Michigan is a decent/good recruiting base.

                  there isn't much value for Miami being in the Nacho. Outside of Miami and the random Blue Jacket's fan, very few in SE Ohio knows hockey exists. The value they might add is a rival for WMU and nice barn.
                  Oxford’s in SW Ohio.
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                  • Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                    That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
                    The first year for Penn State was their transition year. They played a mixed schedule that included club & D-3 teams. Then when they went full NCAA, that’s when the Big Ten league began.
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                    • Re: New WCHA is dead

                      Originally posted by davyd83 View Post
                      The first year for Penn State was their transition year. They played a mixed schedule that included club & D-3 teams. Then when they went full NCAA, that’s when the Big Ten league began.

                      This is the way I remember it as well. As I also recall, Alvarez in Wisconsin was the one who pushed that rule, although i can't remember the reasoning, and it really didn't have anything to do with hockey, but hockey got caught by it.

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                        Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                        That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
                        I knew they played one season as an independent but I thought that was logistics of scheduling and getting the other five out of their conferences. So as I said, I'm frequently wrong about what I think I heard

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                        • Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                          That obviously is a lie because PSU had a hockey team a year before the B1G had a hockey conference. If it was a steadfast rule, the B1G would have happen a year earlier.
                          No, it happened as quick as it could.

                          9/17/2010 - Pegula donation official. PSU to become newest NCAA D1 Hockey school.
                          While there is a question of where the women will be assigned, multiple sources say the men’s program will join Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State and the University of Wisconsin under the banner of the Big Ten by 2014-15.

                          A league needs at least six members to be sanctioned by the NCAA. The Big Ten would have that on the men’s side, but only Minnesota, Ohio State and UW have women’s hockey.

                          “We plan to have many conversations both internally with our chancellors, presidents, administrators and coaches, and externally with the hockey community as a whole as we endeavor to balance all the unique interests in play,” Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said in a statement, adding that a conference championship likely wouldn’t take place until 2014-15.

                          A discussion on the matter is set for next month during Big Ten meetings in Chicago.
                          The effect of a Big Ten men’s league mainly will be felt in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association and Western Collegiate Hockey Association.

                          Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State are members of the 11-team CCHA, which is about to embark on its 40th season. Minnesota and UW are members of the 12-team WCHA, which began play in 1959.

                          Both commissioners — Tom Anastos of the CCHA and Bruce McLeod of the WCHA — issued statements congratulating Penn State on its endeavor but avoided any discussion about what the future holds.

                          Curley believes men’s hockey can be self-sustaining at his school and that adding men’s and women’s programs will help the sport grow in North America. He said discussions in the coming months about conference affiliation will be geared toward “trying to do what’s best for everyone.”
                          https://madison.com/sports/college/h...cc4c002e0.html

                          3/21/2011 - Word leaks that the B1G Conference is happening, and teams have given their two year notice.
                          The Gophers will join Wisconsin of the WCHA; Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State of the Central Collegiate Hockey Association; and Penn State, which is starting a varsity hockey program in 2012-13. Big Ten rules require a minimum of six teams in a sport before they can play for a conference championship, so the Nittany Lions are the catalyst of the move.
                          Those six Big Ten schools announced Monday that they are recommending the conference establish men's hockey as an official sport for the 2013-14 season and hold a tournament in March of 2014 at a site to be determined. The Big Ten council of presidents and chancellors will vote on the proposal in June, but that appears to be a formality.
                          WCHA Commissioner Bruce McLeod said the conference has a tentative verbal agreement on an interlocking schedule with the Gophers and Wisconsin when they switch conferences. It calls for them to play all 10 remaining WCHA teams on a rotating schedule.
                          Some high-profile teams such as Notre Dame and Miami (Ohio) of the CCHA, and North Dakota and Denver of the WCHA could break off with other teams and form a "superconference."

                          McLeod said the WCHA will be fine at 10 teams. "The issue for us is we need to stick together," he said. "I hope things don't start to happen. This is hard enough on college hockey."
                          http://www.startribune.com/gophers-l...key/118407989/
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                          • Re: New WCHA is dead

                            Originally posted by aparch View Post
                            3/21/2011 - Word leaks that the B1G Conference is happening, and teams have given their two year notice.
                            But we're still waiting for that college hockey video game...

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                            • Re: New WCHA is dead

                              Also, here'a an interesting read from 2009 (While I was trying to figure out when McLeod's extension was signed by "the small schools").

                              https://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=50204
                              Q. How could this change things for the CCHA?

                              BRUCE MCLEOD: All of us know the issues that Bowling Green and another school are having in regards to longevity and the health of their program there. It’s certainly a delicate issue. There are a number of ethical questions involved (with contacting the CCHA teams). I have a ton of respect for (CCHA commish) Tom Anastos. The water is getting muddier here in the D-I hockey lake by the day here.
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                              • Re: New WCHA is dead

                                And another trip in the wayback machine when Mercyhurst, Niagara, Robert Morris, and Canisius discussed moving as a block to the CCHA, but only if Alaska left.
                                https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ne...schools_to.php
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