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    • Originally posted by aparch View Post
      You guys ever raise a banner for being a 2013 NCAA Frozen Four Participant?
      Yes.
      Nice troll try.
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      • Re: New WCHA is dead

        Originally posted by The Rube View Post
        Keep making excuses. With the money power of UND, SCSU, etc, the WCHA could have survived, for the most part (again, the AK schools were pretty doomed, due to other factors).
        This post summarizes the precise thinking that shows why the NCHC teams made the correct move. Some people and programs are just happy to try to "survive," and the WCHA commissioner and a majority of the teams that remained in the WCHA after the B1G schools left were in that boat. UND, DU, UMD, etc..., weren't just interested in "surviving." They were interested in thriving, as they had been.

        As I posted earlier, there isn't a single person with a lick of hockey or business sense who can sit here today and claim the NCHC teams made a bad decision. To the contrary, they made a very good decision.
        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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        • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
          This post summarizes the precise thinking that shows why the NCHC teams made the correct move. Some people and programs are just happy to try to "survive," and the WCHA commissioner and a majority of the teams that remained in the WCHA after the B1G schools left were in that boat. UND, DU, UMD, etc..., weren't just interested in "surviving." They were interested in thriving, as they had been.

          As I posted earlier, there isn't a single person with a lick of hockey or business sense who can sit here today and claim the NCHC teams made a bad decision. To the contrary, they made a very good decision.
          The bottom line was that in both leagues, the smaller schools had the majority. The North Dakotas didn’t want the Michigan Techs and Bemidjis in control of league policy.
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            Originally posted by davyd83 View Post
            The bottom line was that in both leagues, the smaller schools had the majority. The North Dakotas didn’t want the Michigan Techs and Bemidjis in control of league policy.
            Not to mention the large universities don't want the small schools to realistically compete against them, so kick them to the curb and keep them down, whenever possible. Yes, this is where the money comes in to play, and the large universities would say, as it should be. Attendance rises when large universities come into small school markets, and attendance drops when small schools come into large university markets. But the Big schools can't just play each other, so small market teams are needed to fill out the schedule. I always loved college hockey because my small market team (Northern) could realistically compete against the major universities, unlike football or basketball. But in the past, we were allowed to compete, whereas now, through conference realignments and lost revenue, that is rapidly changing. The Alaska schools may be in trouble now, but how long will it be before a good number of the WCHA teams are in the same boat? I guess the schools with all the money and power will decide.
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            • Re: New WCHA is dead

              Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
              Facts are not excuses.
              Again...loyalty be ****ed.
              This is not charity...it's business.
              The NCHC schools never gave it a chance to work. They blew it up...that is a distinct difference. The WCHA accepted all the left over teams and tried to make it work. If you can't understand the difference thats on you.
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              • Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                The NCHC schools never gave it a chance to work. They blew it up...that is a distinct difference. The WCHA accepted all the left over teams and tried to make it work. If you can't understand the difference thats on you.
                The WCHA didn't have a choice. It was join or die.
                Yes the NCHC left and as Hovey said...it's because they didn't just want to survive...they wanted to thrive.
                The league has done that.
                Sure seems like they all made the right choice.

                Again...i feel sorry for the fans of the Alaska schools and UAH if this does mean the death of their programs.
                However...trying to parse it by saying you tried to make it work while we all just left as though that somehow makes these 7 schools better is just semantic BS.
                In the end...all of these schools are looking out for themselves and none are better than any other for doing it.
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                • Re: New WCHA is dead

                  Everyone has different values. Some people value money; some people value loyalty. We have learned who values what.

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                  • Re: New WCHA is dead

                    It's nice to see the fiddling about the NCHC while the WCHA burns and three schools scream in agony...

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                    • Re: New WCHA is dead

                      Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                      The NCHC schools never gave it a chance to work. They blew it up...that is a distinct difference. The WCHA accepted all the left over teams and tried to make it work. If you can't understand the difference thats on you.
                      B1G creation; a bad move
                      NCHC creation; a worse move
                      nWCHA creation; a choice-less move
                      Magnificent 7 creation; a survival move

                      and the situation that these three UA_ teams find themselves in can only resolved by having the other 50 programs and the NCAA do something for once.

                      every conference and every team within each conference should take a turn in hosting and visiting the states of AL and AK.

                      and if you do the math the cost would be trivial for the cycle would take forever to repeat itself.

                      solutions are abundant...

                      GO TECH GOLD!
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                      • Re: New WCHA is dead

                        Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                        Everyone has different values. Some people value money; some people value loyalty. We have learned who values what.
                        Kind of like in the early 80's when the Ivies were kicking around the idea of bolting the ECAC and forming an Ivy League hockey conference, so BC, BU, UNH, and a couple of other ECAC teams to whom hockey was important decided to jump the gun and form a new hockey conference with programs of their own choosing, that kind of loyalty?
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • Re: New WCHA is dead

                          Originally posted by gfmorris View Post
                          It's nice to see the fiddling about the NCHC while the WCHA burns and three schools scream in agony...

                          GFM
                          i misread your post as; "It's nice to see the fiddling about the NCHC while the WCHA burns these three schools [and they] scream in agony..."

                          but i will leave my reply anyway.

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                          nah... not at all.

                          big difference here.

                          sure, i did not like it how they went about it (even 'tho i can't tell you on how they should have gone about it). but...

                          the day these seven schools have a budget that's even close to the likes of the B1G or the NACHO, we can talk about hypocrisy.

                          i rather see these three programs out there "screaming in agony" [for its the biggest chance of survival] then they dying a slow death and injuring all the other seven survivors - if there are that many in the end.

                          while the WCHA may be at 'some fault' on all this, it is/was being thrown under the bus.

                          its like some sort of statute of limitations that is being given to the B1G and the NACHO.

                          the nWCHA has been wearing life-preservers from day one... we don't have a boat, not even a crappy leaky one.
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                          • Re: New WCHA is dead

                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            Kind of like in the early 80's when the Ivies were kicking around the idea of bolting the ECAC and forming an Ivy League hockey conference, so BC, BU, UNH, and a couple of other ECAC teams to whom hockey was important decided to jump the gun and form a new hockey conference with programs of their own choosing, that kind of loyalty?
                            Are you hoping to play "Gotcha!" with something that happened when I was in grade school?

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                            • Originally posted by DrunkTrainPolka View Post
                              B1G creation; a bad move
                              NCHC creation; a worse move
                              nWCHA creation; a choice-less move
                              Magnificent 7 creation; a survival move

                              and the situation that these three UA_ teams find themselves in can only resolved by having the other 50 programs and the NCAA do something for once.

                              every conference and every team within each conference should take a turn in hosting and visiting the states of AL and AK.

                              and if you do the math the cost would be trivial for the cycle would take forever to repeat itself.

                              solutions are abundant...

                              GO TECH GOLD!
                              .
                              Big Ten move started it all so obviously that was by far the worse move
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                              • Re: New WCHA is dead

                                Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                                The NCHC schools never gave it a chance to work. They blew it up...that is a distinct difference. The WCHA accepted all the left over teams and tried to make it work. If you can't understand the difference thats on you.
                                They may have had the oWCHA members of the S7 not gone behind their backs to re-up McLeod...that backstabbing killed any possibility of loyalty to the WCHA.

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