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    Re: New WCHA is dead

    CCHA 2.0 Anything East of Wisconsin
    NCHA 2.0 or WCHA 3.0 Anything West of Lake Michigan (excluding the UP).

    Split Alaska and UAH to CCHA 2.0

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    I am a biit shocked but not surprised. Those Alaska schools have been struggling for quite sometime now. I don’t see them being part of college hockey in a couple years which would coincide with the new league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davyd83 View Post
    Unless St Thomas moves it’s entire athletic program up, they can’t play D-1 hockey.
    I understand that but it’s fairly apparent that they will go D2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Yes. In your scenario those four schools could have showed some solidarity with Alaska, Anchorage and Huntsville and told BGSU, MSU and BSU to pound sand.
    BGSU was the last school to commit to a league when the CCHA exploded. Had Ferris and Lake Superior not jumped to the WCHA immediately, this league would have probably formed back then, and everybody would have had a different opinion of the schools involved. The difference now is the landscape has changed slightly with Tech, BSU, Northern, and Mankato involved. AHA has also went full scholarship since then. BG also has a coach with very strong ties to the state of Minnesota.

    This isn't the final look of the conference. My crystal ball says ASU to Big Ten, Huntsville to AHA, one Alaska team added to CCHA 2.0, and one is gone forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UMD21 View Post
    ... NCHC can happily take AF if needed ...
    Never going to happen. Air Force and Army are a bonded pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenskates View Post
    As a fan of any of the 7 teams, as a fan of college hockey, I would not be impressed with the method. Each of the schools always has the right to make changes to benefit their program. But as members of a league (which is essentially a partnership) each of the members has a duty to be honest and respectful to the others. To dump this publicly without any advance notice to the injured 3 is a pretty devious conspiracy. IMHO
    To leave the WCHA without a penalty, they had to give a 2 year warning. My assumption is, they gave the warning as soon as they could. So, they gave a 2 year notice, as required. The only good thing about it, is it makes decisions by the alaska and alabama schools a last choice, basically they can't dick around, they have to figure it out soon. I have always assumed, since the Big Ten came, that the Alaska schools were screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    My prediction is this. WMU and Miami will hook up with the departing WCHA 7, and BSU and Mankato joins the NCHC. Then the new CCHA can pick up ASU or maybe get RMU to move.
    I don't see WMU being interested in leaving. Our OOC schedule is almost always very local so travel costs wouldn't be a significant enough savings to make the difference when we're very competitive in the best conference in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    My prediction is this. WMU and Miami will hook up with the departing WCHA 7, and BSU and Mankato joins the NCHC. Then the new CCHA can pick up ASU or maybe get RMU to move.
    And then Minnesota and wisconsin ditch the POS conference that ruined college hockey and join this new NCHC. And they call it the WCHA2. And it's the best conference that ever existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    My prediction is this. WMU and Miami will hook up with the departing WCHA 7,
    They are going to pay the buyout of one year league expenses?
    At last check that was 1.5 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdt1081 View Post
    BGSU was the last school to commit to a league when the CCHA exploded. Had Ferris and Lake Superior not jumped to the WCHA immediately, this league would have probably formed back then, and everybody would have had a different opinion of the schools involved. The difference now is the landscape has changed slightly with Tech, BSU, Northern, and Mankato involved. AHA has also went full scholarship since then. BG also has a coach with very strong ties to the state of Minnesota.

    This isn't the final look of the conference. My crystal ball says ASU to Big Ten, Huntsville to AHA, one Alaska team added to CCHA 2.0, and one is gone forever.
    The CCHA was left with BGSU, LSSU, Ferris, and Fairbanks. With Notre Dame and WMU “exploring” their options. The “new” WCHA was to have UAA, Bemidji, Minnesota St, St Cloud, Tech and NMU. Notre Dame joined Hockey East after they couldn’t reach an agreement with the NCHC. Then Western and St Cloud jumped to the NCHC. That left 5 teams in the WCHA, four in the CCHA and Huntsville as an independent. The “leftovers” had little choice but to merge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davyd83 View Post
    The CCHA was left with BGSU, LSSU, Ferris, and Fairbanks. With Notre Dame and WMU “exploring” their options. The “new” WCHA was to have UAA, Bemidji, Minnesota St, St Cloud, Tech and NMU. Notre Dame joined Hockey East after they couldn’t reach an agreement with the NCHC. Then Western and St Cloud jumped to the NCHC. That left 5 teams in the WCHA, four in the CCHA and Huntsville as an independent. The “leftovers” had little choice but to merge.
    You're forgetting Robert Morris, Niagra, Canisius, and RIT. That deal just ran out of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    They are going to pay the buyout of one year league expenses?
    At last check that was 1.5 million.
    Deals can be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icehawk View Post
    ...Those Alaska schools have been struggling for quite sometime now. I don’t see them being part of college hockey in a couple years which would coincide with the new league.
    I feel so bad for the two Alaska fan bases, both of which are passionate about hockey in general and their teams in particular. But geographical, logistical, and fiscal realities are conspiring to make D1 college hockey in Alaska untenable. There might be some hope if some sort of west coast conference could be formed around Washington and Washington State, with some of the British Columbia colleges also allowed to join as adjunct members. But realistically, pigs will fly before any of that happens.

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    Never going to happen. Air Force and Army are a bonded pair.
    It not that these two Service academies are somehow welded together. They'd both be fine playing in separate leagues (as they do in other sports) so long as they had the flexibility to schedule each other in out-of-conference games. The primary reason they're both in Atlantic Hockey is comfort level with the conference's overall values and approach. Neither has designs on a national championship so they're both content to play at the Atlantic Hockey competitive level with occasional marquee matchups against national "brands".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Deals can be made.
    Doubt the NCHC changes its own bylaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Split-N View Post
    I feel so bad for the two Alaska fan bases, both of which are passionate about hockey in general and their teams in particular. But geographical, logistical, and fiscal realities are conspiring to make D1 college hockey in Alaska untenable. There might be some hope if some sort of west coast conference could be formed around Washington and Washington State, with some of the British Columbia colleges also allowed to join as adjunct members. But realistically, pigs will fly before any of that happens.



    It not that these two Service academies are somehow welded together. They'd both be fine playing in separate leagues (as they do in other sports) so long as they had the flexibility to schedule each other in out-of-conference games. The primary reason they're both in Atlantic Hockey is comfort level with the conference's overall values and approach. Neither has designs on a national championship so they're both content to play at the Atlantic Hockey competitive level with occasional marquee matchups against national "brands".
    Air Force left their former conference in hockey years ago to specifically be in the same conference as Army. Then Wayne State folded, and this whole mess of realignment began.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    My prediction is this. WMU and Miami will hook up with the departing WCHA 7, and BSU and Mankato joins the NCHC. Then the new CCHA can pick up ASU or maybe get RMU to move.
    Why would Western and Miami leave the NCHC for travel reasons and go to a league that adds Arizona State?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSUBeavs View Post
    I understand that but it’s fairly apparent that they will go D2.
    Is that the vibe in Minnesota? As a D3 hockey fan on the outside it seems that the WIAC would be a good fit for them. WIAC hockey needs one more member to gain AQ status and their football league is arguably the best in NCAA D3. Football and hockey are likely the two signature programs at St Thomas, and the WIAC has publicly stated that it is open to non-Wisconsin state schools as full-time members.

    The WIAC has also added Northland as a hockey member for ‘19-‘20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    They are going to pay the buyout of one year league expenses?
    At last check that was 1.5 million.
    If Mankato or ASU had the chance to join the NCHC if they bought out Miami and WMU’s obligations, do you think they wouldn’t? Just not sure if the travel benefits would outweigh the level of competition. WMU I have felt like for years has been one tournament appearance away from hurting some feelings in the NCAAs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonin21 View Post
    And then Minnesota and wisconsin ditch the POS conference that ruined college hockey and join this new NCHC. And they call it the WCHA2. And it's the best conference that ever existed.
    I know you know **** well that’s not going to happen. As much as I rag on them, I do believe Minnesota’s hands were mostly tied. I don’t think Wisconsin is having a bad time in the new league, and I’m sure likely having to switch to a conference like Big 12 would have negatives outweighing any gains from rejoining NCHC
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    New statement from Bowling Green today:

    "We have decided playing other teams is too difficult. It is too far to travel and the time difference fatigues our players. From now on we'll play 34 intramural scrimmages."

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    Quote Originally Posted by UMD21 View Post
    If Mankato or ASU had the chance to join the NCHC if they bought out Miami and WMU’s obligations, do you think they wouldn’t? Just not sure if the travel benefits would outweigh the level of competition. WMU I have felt like for years has been one tournament appearance away from hurting some feelings in the NCAAs


    I know you know **** well that’s not going to happen. As much as I rag on them, I do believe Minnesota’s hands were mostly tied. I don’t think Wisconsin is having a bad time in the new league, and I’m sure likely having to switch to a conference like Big 12 would have negatives outweighing any gains from rejoining NCHC
    ASU may have the money for that. I highly doubt Kato does.
    I also don't think the league would change the bylaws. The team leaving has to pay and give 2 years notice or the buyout goes up.
    The NCHC may expand...but Miami and Western are stuck.

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