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  • Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
    Not to mention, should we really judge some 1975 opinions by 2019 standards?
    Certain candidates currently running were marching with civil rights activists back then...
    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Even Ta-Nehisi Coates said he didn’t think Biden was a racist. So maybe you should stop with the Trumpian lying about your political opponents.

    This is the part where you reply with a childish half-capitalized post.
    He’s not the sole arbiter of whether someone is racist or not.

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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
      He also said Biden shouldn't be President, which I would agree with, but we're also living in a world where Dump is the current CinC.
      No he shouldnt be...but if it is Biden vs. GOP (let alone Trump) the answer is clear. Any sort of rationalization otherwise is ridiculous.

      Kepler has said it best a thousand times...the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican currently. It wasnt always this way and it wont always be this way but for now it is 100% true.
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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

        Nobody is debating that.

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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
          Certain candidates currently running were marching with civil rights activists back then...He’s not the sole arbiter of whether someone is racist or not.
          Nope, but he’s certainly better than you or me.
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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

            How exactly do you figure that? There’s plenty of smart people saying otherwise.

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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
              Nobody is debating that.
              Except you are defending those that, in your example, would be acting counter to that.
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
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              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                Nope, but he’s certainly better than you or me.
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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  Kepler has said it best a thousand times...the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican currently. It wasnt always this way and it wont always be this way but for now it is 100% true.
                  Screw Kepler. I came up with that!
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    Kepler has said it best a thousand times...the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican currently. It wasnt always this way and it wont always be this way but for now it is 100% true.
                    I have my doubts that we'll ever see a better Republican again. There are too many issues right now they're dead wrong on. Maybe in a 100 years.
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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      I have my doubts that we'll ever see a better Republican again. There are too many issues right now they're dead wrong on. Maybe in a 100 years.
                      Given the trajectory of the party since 1978 I cannot imagine this continues for much longer. 40 years ago the GOP was a center-right, corporatist party, basically indistinguishable from mainline conservatives in Canada or Europe. In the 80s they embraced stupidity with Reagan, and in the 90s they embraced hatred with Gingrich. In the 00s they became militarist with Dubya, and now they've gone full bore fascist with Dump. There just isn't anywhere to go farther right without an actual coup and the end of the rule of law. And as Dump edges towards that and the rest of the GOP talk themselves into justifying it by accusing us of that which they themselves are doing, the system breaks at that point -- we will actually get tanks in the streets if this keeps up.

                      I'm not saying they can't win; they've gotten this far. But we are close to a core dump confrontation. Until now it's been a continuous function but we are close to the Tyrannical Singularity.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        Except you are defending those that, in your example, would be acting counter to that.
                        No I'm saying what is realistically going to happen and why. There's a reason so many people who are either moderate or on the left have completely tuned out of electoral politics and that's many decades in the making. The party has literally abandoned the working class, they don't do **** for unions or labor or poor people, Bill Clinton's admin basically just sold the poor people out during his administration as did Obama during the housing crisis (we all saw what happened to black wealth during that time and why) and all the hope and change rhetoric went out the window the second he got into office and brought the Citibank board into his cabinet. On the right they have the infrastructure built via terrestrial radio, cable news, and now facebook where they can just scare their rube voters into voting but that same fear doesn't resonate with the center/left nearly as much and the $$$$/infrastructure isn't quite there either.

                        Heck, I don't think I even voted in 2014 because I was renting, didn't have my license up to date with my new address, and nobody was home to vouch for me to go vote and the utilities weren't in my name. And I wasn't dirt poor, lived in liberal MN where it's relatively easy to vote, rather than say a poor person from Alabama where you have to go 50 miles outside the city on the third weds of the month during work hours to get your voter ID and somehow do it via public transit. And I'm someone who's relatively well educated and saw the importance of voting just to avoid another Bush II or worse.

                        If those people think their vote is just going to go to some snake oil salesman who is barely better than a Republican they're just not going to vote, they deem it not worth their time because things likely won't change for the better (and let's be honest, they didn't under the regimes mentioned and Clinton got lucky with the tech boom). Christ my brother is a doctor and has gotten completely apathetic about politics, pretty sure he voted for Gary Johnson while living in WI in 2016. Obviously people who are super tuned in to politics and discuss it online or whatever know the importance of the Supreme Court and the appointment of federal judges but if you think the average person, even relatively intelligent ones, get the importance of it, you're deluding yourself. You seem to live in some fantasy land where people are just going to magically make these calculations and vote for the lesser of evils when history has repeatedly shown that they haven't. And if you think they're solely to blame for this (and I'm not absolving them of all blame but American exceptionalism is a thing and people didn't think fascism can ever happen here until it did) you're absolving the party of all responsibility for its decades of failure. Which is ludicrous.
                        Last edited by trixR4kids; 06-21-2019, 10:09 AM.

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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                          A couple of thoughts:

                          1) Sorry Kep, but Republicans will continue to get worse. You don't just cure racial resentment overnight even if they do suffer a few electoral setbacks. As long as whiny Baby Boomer and Silent Generation loons represent the dominant block in that party, its going to get a lot worse before it gets worse. Think Louis Goehmert or Jim Jordan as a future presidential nominee.

                          2) trix, you basically want to live in a world where there's no personal responsibility whatsoever. The people who decide to drop out if they don't get 100% of what they want are the heroes, and everybody else is a sell out. That's great, but it goes both ways. Spewing hate rhetoric about fellow Dems will only make you people persona non grata when the Dems do actually achieve power. I'm sure you'd consider that to be a badge of honor, but it keeps you that much further away from getting anything accomplished. You then become Scooby - perpetually disappointed but never in doubt.

                          But you do serve a purpose. You are exhibit A of why Kep's socialist revolution will never happen. At some point most people leave college, and their parents basement, get jobs and take on added responsibilities (marriage, house, kids, etc). When that starts happening, absolutism starts losing its appeal because its unworkable if life as it is in politics. May you someday leave mom and dad's house and experience this yourself.
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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                            And you want to live in a world where the party that has failed miserably for a long time is completely absolved of responsibility for Trump. Sorry but we've historically seen here and elsewhere that neoliberal reforms tend to lead to fascism in the long run and this is a well documented phenomenon. Just because you're historically illiterate and don't want to acknowledge it doesn't magically absolve you of responsibility.
                            Last edited by trixR4kids; 06-21-2019, 10:34 AM.

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                            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                              No I'm saying what is realistically going to happen and why. There's a reason so many people who are either moderate or on the left have completely tuned out of electoral politics and that's many decades in the making. The party has literally abandoned the working class, they don't do **** for unions or labor or poor people, Bill Clinton's admin basically just sold the poor people out during his administration as did Obama during the housing crisis (we all saw what happened to black wealth during that time and why) and all the hope and change rhetoric went out the window the second he got into office and brought the Citibank board into his cabinet. On the right they have the infrastructure built via terrestrial radio, cable news, and now facebook where they can just scare their rube voters into voting but that same fear doesn't resonate with the center/left nearly as much and the $$$$/infrastructure isn't quite there either.

                              Heck, I don't think I even voted in 2014 because I was renting, didn't have my license up to date with my new address, and nobody was home to vouch for me to go vote and the utilities weren't in my name. And I wasn't dirt poor, lived in liberal MN where it's relatively easy to vote, rather than say a poor person from Alabama where you have to go 50 miles outside the city on the third weds of the month during work hours to get your voter ID and somehow do it via public transit. And I'm someone who's relatively well educated and saw the importance of voting just to avoid another Bush II or worse.

                              If those people think their vote is just going to go to some snake oil salesman who is barely better than a Republican they're just not going to vote, they deem it not worth their time because things likely won't change for the better (and let's be honest, they didn't under the regimes mentioned and Clinton got lucky with the tech boom). Christ my brother is a doctor and has gotten completely apathetic about politics, pretty sure he voted for Gary Johnson while living in WI in 2016. Obviously people who are super tuned in to politics and discuss it online or whatever know the importance of the Supreme Court and the appointment of federal judges but if you think the average person, even relatively intelligent ones, get the importance of it, you're deluding yourself. You seem to live in some fantasy land where people are just going to magically make these calculations and vote for the lesser of evils when history has repeatedly shown that they haven't. And if you think they're solely to blame for this (and I'm not absolving them of all blame but American exceptionalism is a thing and people didn't think fascism can ever happen here until it did) you're absolving the party of all responsibility for its decades of failure. Which is ludicrous.
                              Then realistically, they are to blame. It doesnt matter if they are right in every way their choice is still on them. They would screw over everyone else for their beliefs. That is their right but no amount of "well we did it for this reason" changes the basic fact. You either vote Dem or you are helping the R. That is all we have now.

                              And the annoying thing is, when they cause the loss they will be the first in the streets protesting looking like fools. You want to move the country back Left you friggin win. You dont throw the game and protest after the fact. Rover is right you get Biden in office and you win more Progressive members in Congress. Biden doesnt have the stomach to fight Progressive Wing (especially not a vocal and powerful one like exists now) so if he wins he can be moved. He is far from perfect, but for Pete's sake he will be Lincoln compared to Trump. Then, if the Progressives have learned anything, you bolster up for the next step in the move Left. If Biden wins you play the long game...you do it right you will have even more power in 4 or 8 years plus a string of years where the world wasnt worried our President will sell us to pay off his Russian debters.

                              I still dont think Biden wins the nom so this hopefully is all academic. But if he does the Progressives and the Bernie Bros need to shut up, back him for his run and do so again in 4 years. Meanwhile they keep pushing their agenda forward and getting support down ballot. They have all the momentum in the world time to use it not just for the fight directly ahead of us but for the fights to come. Biden is an empty suit, but he also can get us at least SOME of our country back and right now that is a start. Hell the unions love him and the Dems need the unions back on their side.

                              And BTW if they think he is "barely better than a Republican" then they are morons. Sorry they are. If they cant see the difference then they arent paying any attention and they arent worth the effort you are putting in trying to make them sound smarter than they actually are. They are just Trumpers of a different cloth...believing their gut over their eyes and brains.
                              Last edited by Handyman; 06-21-2019, 10:38 AM.
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                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

                                Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                                Sorry but we've historically seen here and elsewhere that neoliberal reforms tend to lead to fascism in the long run and this is a well documented phenomenon. .
                                Examples, please?
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