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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    45% of us tried our best, now being decimated by the 55%.
    Promise the rubes $6,000 something and a Unicorn and in Alaska you get elected Governor.

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    Promise the rubes $6,000 something and a Unicorn and in Alaska you get elected Governor.
    Sad but true. He was elected because of greed.
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    I love the "UA_" comment. When I see it, I think of re-runs of Match Game, and Gene Rayburn going "U, A, Blank... UA blank"

    From ADN:

    "According to NCAA, the (UAF) hockey team used ineligible players in every game played from the 2007-08 season to the 2010-11 season. Over that span, the wins and ties will all become losses. 4 wins and 2 ties came against rival UAA".

    UAF is 56-86-12 vs. UAA.

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    Isn't it true that the only politics involved here is in Alaska?
    That's a valid point; greed and stupidity exist in every State and in every Nation.

    But everywhere you go, the backlash -ironically- by the middle-class directed against itself is baffling. Guess the 39% is still waiting for the trickle-down to work, for once..?

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    They had slides breaking down each campus, and I forgot to screenshot the UAA slide. (They jumped over the UA_ slide fast.)

    But, taking a peek at the Equity in Athletics website (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/)

    UAA total expenses $11,943,638.
    UA_ total expenses $6,267,861.
    UAS does not have an entry, as there are no NCAA sanctioned sports on their campus.
    Expenses are not how much the schools lose on athletics as they have revenue that comes in as well. My NCAA financials spreadsheet only goes to 2016 (I have the UAA financials for 2017 & 2018, but I'm still waiting on 10 schools, including UA_ for 2017 & 2018 financials). The net loss for UAA in 2018 was $9,983,296 ($2 million less) and the average loss for 2014-18 was $9,700,247. However, I believe that UAA will still have to honor all offered aid to incoming freshmen who signed NLIs and I would expect them to also honor aid to all returning athletes, which for 2018 amounted to $2,986,762, with the 2014-18 average $2,746,421. I so then cutting all UAA athletics would save about $7 million for the year, assuming they would not also have to pay the balance of all the coaches contracts.

    UA_ total expenses in 2016 came to $7,355,770 (they have actually been trimming expenses since 2012 when expenses totaled $8,871,738). The net loss for UA_ in 2016 was $5,453,171, with an average loss for 2014-16 of $6,080,019. Again, their athletic aid for 2016 amounted to $1,330,409, with an average of $1,350,195 for 2016-18. So cutting UA_ athletics would save about $4.1 million for the year, again assuming they would not have to pay the balance of coaches contracts.

    So, the combined savings would probably be less than $11 million, if athletics was completely eliminated at UAA and UA_. I will update UA_ numbers once I receive their 2017 & 2018 financials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Expenses are not how much the schools lose on athletics as they have revenue that comes in as well. My NCAA financials spreadsheet only goes to 2016 (I have the UAA financials for 2017 & 2018, but I'm still waiting on 10 schools, including UA_ for 2017 & 2018 financials). The net loss for UAA in 2018 was $9,983,296 ($2 million less) and the average loss for 2014-18 was $9,700,247. However, I believe that UAA will still have to honor all offered aid to incoming freshmen who signed NLIs and I would expect them to also honor aid to all returning athletes, which for 2018 amounted to $2,986,762, with the 2014-18 average $2,746,421. I so then cutting all UAA athletics would save about $7 million for the year, assuming they would not also have to pay the balance of all the coaches contracts.

    UA_ total expenses in 2016 came to $7,355,770 (they have actually been trimming expenses since 2012 when expenses totaled $8,871,738). The net loss for UA_ in 2016 was $5,453,171, with an average loss for 2014-16 of $6,080,019. Again, their athletic aid for 2016 amounted to $1,330,409, with an average of $1,350,195 for 2016-18. So cutting UA_ athletics would save about $4.1 million for the year, again assuming they would not have to pay the balance of coaches contracts.

    So, the combined savings would probably be less than $11 million, if athletics was completely eliminated at UAA and UA_. I will update UA_ numbers once I receive their 2017 & 2018 financials.

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    Interesting numbers, thanks for the info. Since UAA is moving games to campus, it will actually make more money starting this season than it has in the past. The Sully charged somewhere in the ballpark of $25,000 for each series. I believe UA_ pays a similar amount to play at the Carlson. UAA playing on campus will save that huge expense, and now they will get to keep all of the money from parking, advertising, concessions, etc. So I would be curious to know how that additional bit of information changes their debt.
    Originally Posted by aparch
    I love the "UA_" comment. When I see it, I think of re-runs of Match Game, and Gene Rayburn going "U, A, Blank... UA blank"

    From ADN:

    "According to NCAA, the (UAF) hockey team used ineligible players in every game played from the 2007-08 season to the 2010-11 season. Over that span, the wins and ties will all become losses. 4 wins and 2 ties came against rival UAA".

    UAF is 56-86-12 vs. UAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suze View Post
    Interesting numbers, thanks for the info. Since UAA is moving games to campus, it will actually make more money starting this season than it has in the past. The Sully charged somewhere in the ballpark of $25,000 for each series. I believe UA_ pays a similar amount to play at the Carlson. UAA playing on campus will save that huge expense, and now they will get to keep all of the money from parking, advertising, concessions, etc. So I would be curious to know how that additional bit of information changes their debt.
    The NCAA financials have an expenses category for "debt service payments (principal and interest, including internal loan programs), leases and rental fees for athletics facilities for the reporting year regardless of entity paying (athletics, institution or other)." since 2015. Before that they used "direct facilities costs charged to intercollegiate athletics, including building and grounds maintenance, utilities, rentals fees, operating leases, equipment repair and maintenance, and debt service." I have columns for both on my spreadsheet and UAA reported the following amounts for debt service/leases for 2015-18:
    2015 $163,065
    2016 $196,985
    2017 $186,722
    2018 $207,484
    The direct facilities costs were much lower for 2012-14, but about $185 thousand for 2010 and 2011. The financials also have a revenue category for "Revenues from: Game Programs, Novelties, Food and Concessions, Parking." and UAA has reported revenue for the category every year I have compiled information for (2010-18), so it appears that they do receive at least of that revenue.

    For UA_ the facility debt/lease costs for 2015 & 2016 were:
    2015 $179,307
    2016 $186,740
    For 2014 the direct cost was $254,281, but before that it appears that UA_ did not breakdown the cost of the facilities for hockey. UA_ also reported revenue from parking and game sales for 2010-16.

    Also, for what it's worth, UA_ reported direct state support for athletics averaging just over $3 million per year for 2010-13. That included an average of $750 thousand a year that went to the hockey team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suze View Post
    Interesting numbers, thanks for the info. Since UAA is moving games to campus, it will actually make more money starting this season than it has in the past. The Sully charged somewhere in the ballpark of $25,000 for each series. I believe UA_ pays a similar amount to play at the Carlson. UAA playing on campus will save that huge expense, and now they will get to keep all of the money from parking, advertising, concessions, etc. So I would be curious to know how that additional bit of information changes their debt.
    I don't know what the contract UAA has, but $25,000 for a weekend is not a lot. If UAA has 8 home series, the expense fee for the Sully is $200,000/hockey season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Expenses are not how much the schools lose on athletics as they have revenue that comes in as well. My NCAA financials spreadsheet only goes to 2016 (I have the UAA financials for 2017 & 2018, but I'm still waiting on 10 schools, including UA_ for 2017 & 2018 financials). The net loss for UAA in 2018 was $9,983,296 ($2 million less) and the average loss for 2014-18 was $9,700,247. However, I believe that UAA will still have to honor all offered aid to incoming freshmen who signed NLIs and I would expect them to also honor aid to all returning athletes, which for 2018 amounted to $2,986,762, with the 2014-18 average $2,746,421. I so then cutting all UAA athletics would save about $7 million for the year, assuming they would not also have to pay the balance of all the coaches contracts.

    UA_ total expenses in 2016 came to $7,355,770 (they have actually been trimming expenses since 2012 when expenses totaled $8,871,738). The net loss for UA_ in 2016 was $5,453,171, with an average loss for 2014-16 of $6,080,019. Again, their athletic aid for 2016 amounted to $1,330,409, with an average of $1,350,195 for 2016-18. So cutting UA_ athletics would save about $4.1 million for the year, again assuming they would not have to pay the balance of coaches contracts.

    So, the combined savings would probably be less than $11 million, if athletics was completely eliminated at UAA and UA_. I will update UA_ numbers once I receive their 2017 & 2018 financials.

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    I understand your point, but that's probably not how the UA System is bookkeeping things. I've heard in another thread (or maybe this one) that UAF may drop all University-supported research. All research dollars supported by a university are generally met by grants from outside entities or matching dollars from the Federal government. UAF is a land grant / space grant school, so turning those monies down would be huge. BUUUUUUT the budget process there may not care about matching dollars and grants — just outlay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    I understand your point, but that's probably not how the UA System is bookkeeping things. I've heard in another thread (or maybe this one) that UAF may drop all University-supported research. All research dollars supported by a university are generally met by grants from outside entities or matching dollars from the Federal government. UAF is a land grant / space grant school, so turning those monies down would be huge. BUUUUUUT the budget process there may not care about matching dollars and grants — just outlay.

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    Geof, there is NO WAY that UAF will eliminate all research at UAF. There is just no way that will happen. If they employ this "one university model" (I oppose this), then Research will be at UAF and just The medical programs will be at UAA. However, I believe at least UAA will keep athletics (except hockey).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman View Post
    Geof, there is NO WAY that UAF will eliminate all research at UAF. There is just no way that will happen. If they employ this "one university model" (I oppose this), then Research will be at UAF and just The medical programs will be at UAA.
    I expect and hope that you're correct. It's just a matter of how dumb the budget recision process is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    I expect and hope that you're correct. It's just a matter of how dumb the budget recision process is.

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    They're not considering it. One of the regents used that as an example of the ideas she has received in her email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    They're not considering it. One of the regents used that as an example of the ideas she has received in her email.
    Man, I love being wrong when it's situations like this.

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    I guess my biggest question is, if the programs are able to survive, how can they be competitive in recruiting? They were just starting to recover from their last time they faced extinction. Now the incoming classes for the next few years are once again blown up. There are some terrific young coaches that could do some good things if only given the opportunity. But thanks to Governor Dunleavy, even if the teams are saved, potential recruits are looking elsewhere. And this time, itís not just hockey, itís all sports.
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    Rep. DeLena Johnson, R-Palmer, also one of the legislators who went to Wasilla, said that with the state poised to lose more than $900 million in federal road construction aid without timely approval of the capital budget, action is needed.
    The key is that they're going to lose federal dollars. One of the Wasilla 22 probably has a friend in the construction business and stands to lose a lot of money without those sweet government contracts.

    That's the angle the university system has to take to convince eight members of the Wasilla 22 to reverse the budget cuts. Show them those cuts will cost federal money and hurt businesses (preferably ones that have connections to the Wasilla 22)

    Even so, it's going to be a fraction of the $136 million.

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    Or the governor realizes he has to negotiate if he wants his big PFD checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGDrew View Post
    Or the governor realizes he has to negotiate if he wants his big PFD checks.
    Except that he doesn't have to negotiate. As I understand it, he's already won. The only way he loses now is if seven of the Wasilla 22 break ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    The NCAA financials have an expenses category for "debt service payments (principal and interest, including internal loan programs), leases and rental fees for athletics facilities for the reporting year regardless of entity paying (athletics, institution or other)." since 2015. Before that they used "direct facilities costs charged to intercollegiate athletics, including building and grounds maintenance, utilities, rentals fees, operating leases, equipment repair and maintenance, and debt service." I have columns for both on my spreadsheet and UAA reported the following amounts for debt service/leases for 2015-18:
    2015 $163,065
    2016 $196,985
    2017 $186,722
    2018 $207,484
    The direct facilities costs were much lower for 2012-14, but about $185 thousand for 2010 and 2011. The financials also have a revenue category for "Revenues from: Game Programs, Novelties, Food and Concessions, Parking." and UAA has reported revenue for the category every year I have compiled information for (2010-18), so it appears that they do receive at least of that revenue.

    For UA_ the facility debt/lease costs for 2015 & 2016 were:
    2015 $179,307
    2016 $186,740
    For 2014 the direct cost was $254,281, but before that it appears that UA_ did not breakdown the cost of the facilities for hockey. UA_ also reported revenue from parking and game sales for 2010-16.

    Also, for what it's worth, UA_ reported direct state support for athletics averaging just over $3 million per year for 2010-13. That included an average of $750 thousand a year that went to the hockey team.

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    I believe the only money UAA makes would be from "novelties". They sell jerseys, sweatshirts, hats, etc. Too bad all of those money makers are all lumped into one category.
    Originally Posted by aparch
    I love the "UA_" comment. When I see it, I think of re-runs of Match Game, and Gene Rayburn going "U, A, Blank... UA blank"

    From ADN:

    "According to NCAA, the (UAF) hockey team used ineligible players in every game played from the 2007-08 season to the 2010-11 season. Over that span, the wins and ties will all become losses. 4 wins and 2 ties came against rival UAA".

    UAF is 56-86-12 vs. UAA.

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    UAA sent out the seat selection fiasco to season ticket holders today.
    UA_ is still planning on the Carlson ice holding for the season?

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