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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lindsay View Post
    It’s really gross how various posters on this board are so antagonistic about women coaches. I’ve seen it for almost twenty years on this board. You guys are total embarrassments.
    You are a wee bit paranoid. The comment has nothing to do with gender so take a deep breath. It has more to do with the constant change with this team’s staff and it extends beyond the assistant coaching changes.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by shelfit View Post
      Did one of the assistant coaches leave? That's what I just heard. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?
      Using my own advice from another post, I found this link on OSU's employment site:

      http://www.jobsatosu.com/postings/95203

      So, they do officially have a posting for an assistant coach but my guess is it's a formality intended to shore up things for Cassels since he's currently listed as an "interim" coach on Muzzy's staff. The job listing shows it will be open only from 5/25/19 until 6/2/19. That's a very small window if they were actually looking for a new assistant coach. I think this answers the rumor quite easily.

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      • #18
        Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

        Originally posted by osualum86 View Post
        Pgb, thanks for starting this thread! I like your subtitle better than the one I was going to have. My subtitle this year was going to be "Lessons Learned or History Repeats Itself." By that, I mean I want to see if this team shows up every game and plays like it's Minnesota or Wisconsin, or if we continue to stumble against inferior teams...
        Your title would have been fine. But once Muzzerall = Muzzling All occurred to me, I couldn't resist.

        As for the friendly little debate about scheduling, if you look at the league we play in, as well as the non-league schedule that was put together, it becomes fairly obvious that Ohio State ducks no one.
        Haven't done any checking, but it's hard to believe anyone in the country is playing a tougher schedule. I thought that was noteworthy, which was another reason to crank up the presses.

        Add to that the fact that years ago, Ohio State had a chance to leave the WCHA for the CHA and ultimately decided, correctly, to stay in the WCHA.
        As I'm sure you recall, I was strongly in favor of staying in the WCHA. I do believe that decision looks wise at this point. I'd only emphasize that it was a decision FOR the WCHA, not a decision against the CHA.

        I cannot wait until the season gets going. We miss the girls. We were actually looking at the schedule to see if we could make one of the road trips this fall. We like to make one road trip in the fall, then start saving up for the postseason.
        Well, there's the road trip to Vegas. From there, you'd be attending either both Frozen Fours or neither, depending on how it goes in the casinos.

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        • #19
          Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

          Well '86, it seems that some of our esteemed guests decided to have a bit of a kerfuffle at our place. Guess I'll toss in a couple of quick takes.

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          I can confirm that Clarkson did not add an assistant.
          This is wicked funny. Even for an OSU fan. And a welcome contrast to the grim, judgmental tone over on the Transfers thread.*

          *EDIT:For the record, I am aware that the Transfers thread has done a 180 & is now in silly talk mode...

          Originally posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
          You are a wee bit paranoid. The comment has nothing to do with gender so take a deep breath. It has more to do with the constant change with this team’s staff and it extends beyond the assistant coaching changes.
          For my part, I don't believe your intent was sexist. My sense is that you're a call-it-as-you-see-it guy, and that you would have been willing to make the exact same comment about a male coach.

          HOWEVER: Let's not go into denial. Lindsay is not paranoid. Big picture, female coaches sometimes do get a "shorter leash" than their male counterparts.

          Every new coach deserves a chance to put their program in place. Regime change generally means more turnover than normal. Of course stability remains the goal. But given the situation Coach Muzzerall inherited, I would say she's entitled to a little extra slack, not less than usual.

          Last, and certainly least. But curiosity compels me to ask. What in the heck did you try to use as an emoticon? At least on my screen, it was blocked.
          Last edited by pgb-ohio; 06-01-2019, 01:13 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

            Yea CCT’s comment was definitely funny. I agree with that. Also, sure it’s a fact OSU is going through a lot of asst coaches. Couldnsee them losing either asst and not being surprised, just bc if the nature of the business, and in Cassels case cause he just joined woho a year ago. It’s a worthy topic of discussion, especially for a program that is high profile like Osu. And by high profile, I mean, has a thread on this board, haha. While on that topic - there are other programs going through assistants at the same rate, it’s just that this program is being talked about. It’s not always because the coach is difficult to work for, but even if it is, so what? It kind of comes with the territory of working/playing D1. Some coaches are tough, whether out of intention due to necessity, or just because they are still figuring out their style. In my opinion, a place like OSU needs to be going all out, all the time on account of the league they play in and the various challenges they have as far as depth or lack their of, compared to other teams. Not to mention, the school is massive, it IS a football school despite the work of the hockey folks and the school has had at least 2 scandals in the past 12 months, that probably only complicate things as far as recruiting coaches or players, in a state not known for girls hockey. It probably is exhausting for everyone, but until they build up a winning program and the ability to recruit the best exhausting and intense might be how it is.

            Separate from that though, for me it’s impossible not to notice the lengths people go to to be diplomatic in their criticisms (or not) depending on the person they are talking about. I don’t really care for the coaches sake. The coaches can handle it, and hopefully are smart enough not to waste time on the boards.

            Does it suck for a fan who just wants to able to be informed about and click on a puff piece in a coach without having to read “she doesn’t love her self at all” or some snark like that though? Yes it gets annoying after a while.
            Last edited by Lindsay; 05-27-2019, 12:38 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
              Well '86, it seems that some of our esteemed guests decided to have a bit of a kerfuffle at our place. Guess I'll toss in a couple of quick takes.

              This is wicked funny. Even for an OSU fan. And a welcome contrast to the grim, judgmental tone over on the Transfers thread.

              For my part, I don't believe your intent was sexist. My sense is that you're a call-it-as-you-see-it guy, and that you would have been willing to make the exact same comment about a male coach.

              HOWEVER: Let's not go into denial. Lindsay is not paranoid. Big picture, female coaches sometimes do get a "shorter leash" than their male counterparts.

              Every new coach deserves a chance to put their program in place. Regime change generally means more turnover than normal. Of course stability remains the goal. But given the situation Coach Muzzerall inherited, I would say she's entitled to a little extra slack, not less than usual.

              Last, and certainly least. But curiosity compels me to ask. What in the heck did you try to use as an emoticon? At least on my screen, it was blocked.
              PGB thanks for lightening the mood. There is a reason this is one of the best threads on the board

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              • #22
                Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                Originally posted by Lindsay View Post
                ...sure it’s a fact OSU is going through a lot of asst coaches. Couldnsee them losing either asst and not being surprised, just bc if the nature of the business, and in Cassels case cause he just joined woho a year ago. It’s a worthy topic of discussion, especially for a program that is high profile like Osu. And by high profile, I mean, has a thread on this board, haha. While on that topic - there are other programs going through assistants at the same rate, it’s just that this program is being talked about. It’s not always because the coach is difficult to work for, but even if it is, so what? It kind of comes with the territory of working/playing D1. Some coaches are tough, whether out of intention due to necessity, or just because they are still figuring out their style. In my opinion, a place like OSU needs to be going all out, all the time on account of the league they play in and the various challenges they have as far as depth or lack their of, compared to other teams. Not to mention, the school is massive, it IS a football school despite the work of the hockey folks and the school has had at least 2 scandals in the past 12 months, that probably only complicate things as far as recruiting coaches or players, in a state not known for girls hockey. It probably is exhausting for everyone, but until they build up a winning program and the ability to recruit the best exhausting and intense might be how it is.
                No question that Ohio State Athletics operates under a microscope. And you've hit on a real irony. Because we "win too much" in Football & Basketball, the jealousy & unfairness flows freely. In truth, our Hockey programs are underdog teams. But most of the sports world puts on blinders & doesn't see it that way.

                Still, it's OK. I'm content with the hand we've been dealt. We're in a better position to break into the top group than most of the underdogs. No sympathy requested. A little more fairness, for the head coaches on down? Yeah, that'd be nice.

                Separate from that though, for me it’s impossible not to notice the lengths people go to to be diplomatic in their criticisms (or not) depending on the person they are talking about. I don’t really care for the coaches sake. The coaches can handle it, and hopefully are smart enough not to waste time on the boards.
                The coaches are tough enough to handle it. Which is good, because some of them DO read USCHO. I know of multiple instances from both Men's & Women's Hockey, from over the years. Don't know if that applies to any of the current coaches of either OSU program. And I'm perfectly happy not knowing that.

                Does it suck for a fan who just wants to able to be informed about and click on a puff piece in a coach without having to read “she doesn’t love her self at all” or some snark like that though? Yes it gets annoying after a while.
                No question about it.

                Originally posted by Lindsay View Post
                PGB thanks for lightening the mood. There is a reason this is one of the best threads on the board
                Appreciate that. Hope we can continue to live up to those kind words.

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                • #23
                  Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                  What is the word on the incoming freshmen? Is it a good group?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Milty View Post
                    What is the word on the incoming freshmen? Is it a good group?
                    Coach Muzerall has signed a great recruiting class. There is an article in ohiostatebuckeyes.com. I will link it later when I have time to find it.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                      Originally posted by osualum86 View Post
                      Coach Muzerall has signed a great recruiting class. There is an article in ohiostatebuckeyes.com. I will link it later when I have time to find it.
                      I think this is it...

                      Buckeyes Ink Seven For 2019-2020
                      At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
                        I think this is it...

                        Buckeyes Ink Seven For 2019-2020
                        That's the article. Thanks for pasting that in here.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                          Going to bump this thread for Pgb ... 45 days until the opener on 9/27 vs St. Lawrence.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                            Anyone want to guess on lineups?
                            Pass the puck

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                            • #29
                              Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                              Originally posted by Ahockeydad View Post
                              Anyone want to guess on lineups?
                              Ahockeydad ... great question. I'll play.

                              I will start this with the line-up sheet from our last game last season (graduating seniors in UPPERCASE).

                              Forward lines

                              Emma Maltais-CHARLY DAHLQUIST-Tatum Skaggs
                              Paetyn Levis-JACYN REEVES-MADISON FIELD
                              Liz Schepers-Sara Saekkinen-Rebecca Freiburger
                              Samanta Bouley-ERIN LANGERMEIER-Olivia Soares
                              Gabby Rosenthal

                              Defensive lines

                              Jincy Dunne-Sophie Jaques
                              LAUREN BOYLE-Lisa Bruno
                              Madison Bizal-Elise Riemenschneider

                              Goaltenders

                              Andrea Braendli
                              Amanda Zeglen*
                              Lynsey Wallace

                              I will start with the back end. It's obviously Andrea Braendli's net after the freshman season she had. Lynsey Wallace and incoming freshman Quinn Kuntz will be solid backups. I put an asterisk by Amanda Zeglen's name because she is transferring to Clarkson. She is a solid goaltender, she will do great at Clarkson.

                              With the d-lines, five of our top six D's are back. After being injured for all but a couple games last season, hopefully Eve Savander is back for her sophomore year. Eve actually started with Jincy that first weekend vs Quinnipiac, then got injured and missed the rest of the season. Along with those six, there are four new freshmen who I think will challenge for playing time this season in Maddie Babnik, Addi Scribner, Miranda Anthony, and Teghan Inglis.

                              Now for the other end of the ice ... the big concern for me is coming up with some centers since we graduated three centers from last year's team. I am thinking Sara Saekkinen may move up and center our top line with Emma Maltais and Tatum Skaggs, but that's just me speculating. Someone else may emerge and center that top line. Only one player returns to our second line in Paetyn Levis, who really came on in her rookie season. Paetyn started the season on the third or fourth line and by the end of the season was on the second line. Last season's third line was Sara Saekkinen centering Liz Schepers and Rebecca Freiburger. All three return this season. The fourth line was Samantha Bouley, Erin Langermeier, and Olivia Soares. Samantha Bouley and Olivia Soares return and I hope to see them get more ice time this season as they have both earned it. Gabby Rosenthal will be back for her sophomore season and I believe she will take the next step and challenge for a spot in one of those top three lines. In addition to those nine returning players, three highly-regarded freshman forwards will be coming in to challenge the returning players for spots ... Ramsey Parent, Brooke Bink, and Jennifer Gardiner.

                              So, honestly, other than Emma Maltais and Tatum Skaggs on the wings of our top line, I have no clue how the other spots are going to shake out, but I will say this ... It has been nice watching Coach Nadine bring in great recruiting classes and add depth to our roster. I cannot remember a time when we had this much talent and depth. It is going to be a fun year and I cannot wait to see the new freshman players.

                              Back to you, Ahockeydad ... do you have any guesses?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Ohio State Buckeyes 2019-2020: Muzzling All Detractors

                                Originally posted by osualum86 View Post
                                Going to bump this thread for Pgb ... 45 days until the opener on 9/27 vs St. Lawrence.
                                Thank you.

                                Originally posted by osualum86 View Post
                                Ahockeydad ... great question. I'll play.

                                I will start this with the line-up sheet from our last game last season (graduating seniors in UPPERCASE)...

                                ... So, honestly, other than Emma Maltais and Tatum Skaggs on the wings of our top line, I have no clue how the other spots are going to shake out, but I will say this ... It has been nice watching Coach Nadine bring in great recruiting classes and add depth to our roster. I cannot remember a time when we had this much talent and depth. It is going to be a fun year and I cannot wait to see the new freshman players.
                                Good job all around. I really don't have any additional insight to add. But like you, I'm greatly looking forward to seeing the new freshman play, and will form opinions as we move forward.

                                Kudos to the posters who already have informed opinions on the recruits, before they ever hit the ice for their new teams. I feel like I watch a lot of hockey. But for most of the players, I don't see them play in person until they arrive at the D-1 Level.

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