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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    One question: who has the picture of the dead horse?
    I don't see the dead horse here. People got tired of the old selection process, and some progress has been made in that regard. And the eliminating the tournament AQ's is the next logical path forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    And the eliminating the tournament AQ's is the next logical path forward.
    🙄🙄🙄 Iím glad the UCHC finally has the AQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    I don't see the dead horse here. People got tired of the old selection process, and some progress has been made in that regard. And the eliminating the tournament AQ's is the next logical path forward.
    What people?? You should start a poll to see what "people" think. There is a need to back up statements with facts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    What people?? You should start a poll to see what "people" think. There is a need to back up statements with facts!
    Come on...its Fish and all his friend...I mean friends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    What people?? You should start a poll to see what "people" think. There is a need to back up statements with facts!
    It's very simple, really.

    If there's an AQ to be had, use the biggest sample-size available. If you care to play a conference tourney, fine, but weight those results as you would every RS game.

    Ganging-up to attack that very obvious logic just amounts to bullying a la PSUC, and is miles away from resembling a decent statistical analysis for a season's body of work.

    "Popular" does not equate to "equitable", nor to "smart".

    Good Lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    It's very simple, really.

    If there's an AQ to be had, use the biggest sample-size available. If you care to play a conference tourney, fine, but weight those results as you would every RS game.

    Ganging-up to attack that very obvious logic just amounts to bullying a la PSUC, and is miles away from resembling a decent statistical analysis for a season's body of work.

    "Popular" does not equate to "equitable", nor to "smart".

    Good Lord.
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    Re: 2019-20 Schedules

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    It's very simple, really.

    If there's an AQ to be had, use the biggest sample-size available. If you care to play a conference tourney, fine, but weight those results as you would every RS game.

    Ganging-up to attack that very obvious logic just amounts to bullying a la PSUC, and is miles away from resembling a decent statistical analysis for a season's body of work.

    "Popular" does not equate to "equitable", nor to "smart".

    Good Lord.
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    Re: 2019-20 Schedules

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    It's very simple, really.

    If there's an AQ to be had, use the biggest sample-size available. If you care to play a conference tourney, fine, but weight those results as you would every RS game.

    Ganging-up to attack that very obvious logic just amounts to bullying a la PSUC, and is miles away from resembling a decent statistical analysis for a season's body of work.

    "Popular" does not equate to "equitable", nor to "smart".

    Good Lord.
    This the the method ALL of the DIII hockey conferences have chosen. Live with it. You might prefer something else, but the people with the power have made another choice.
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    Re: 2019-20 Schedules

    I think the Champion should be the team playing the best hockey in March, not November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    I think the Champion should be the team playing the best hockey in March, not November.
    The Champion is the one that goes undefeated in the tournament. They may not be the best team, but they were the better team in their contests.

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    Re: 2019-20 Schedules

    [QUOTE=joecct;6833025]Don Quixote.[/QUOTE)

    That's what your coterie said about the possibility of a PWR being employed in D-3, isn't it? ("Tilting at windmills"...?)

    But that happened: the D-3 PWR finally exists, no thanks to you traditionalists, and that constitutes some progress.

    The next step towards a logical selection-process would obviously be to consider a larger body of work than the end of season side-shows.

    It's so very obvious. It really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    I think the Champion should be the team playing the best hockey in March, not November.
    So, again, why play the RS in the first place, if all that matters are few games in March?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    This the the method ALL of the DIII hockey conferences have chosen. Live with it. You might prefer something else, but the people with the power have made another choice.
    So, you're saying that because d-3 is in cahoots on this one, it makes sense?

    It doesn't. And you, as a statistician, must certainly grasp that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Don Quixote.[/QUOTE)

    That's what your coterie said about the possibility of a PWR being employed in D-3, isn't it? ("Tilting at windmills"...?)

    But that happened: the D-3 PWR finally exists, no thanks to you traditionalists, and that constitutes some progress.

    The next step towards a logical selection-process would obviously be to consider a larger body of work than the end of season side-shows.

    It's so very obvious. It really is.
    I donít know of anyone who argued against using PWR for D3 selections.

    Try again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    So, again, why play the RS in the first place, if all that matters are few games in March?
    You keep thinking the end result is all that matters. It doesnít. Playing the game does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    So, you're saying that because d-3 is in cahoots on this one, it makes sense?

    It doesn't. And you, as a statistician, must certainly grasp that fact.
    It doesnít matter whether it makes sense. It only matters that conferences chose that method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    So, again, why play the RS in the first place, if all that matters are few games in March?
    Because playing and watching hockey all season long is fun and it can lead to advantages (home ice, favorable opponents) once the really important games happen in conference playoffs and beyond.

    Itís just common sense after all...
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    Re: 2019-20 Schedules

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post

    I don’t know of anyone who argued against using PWR for D3 selections.

    Try again...
    Well, none of the regulars here argued for a transparent process on this site, either.

    Pretty-much the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    Because playing and watching hockey all season long is fun and it can lead to advantages (home ice, favorable opponents) once the really important games happen in conference playoffs and beyond.

    It’s just common sense after all...
    Of course the RS is "fun", but how meaningful is it, if it can be negated via a couple of games in March? Every game should mean something, in the context of a full season.

    Otherwise, why even play them? The current situation absolutely flies in the face of "common-sense", and it's really impossible to build a logical argument to the contrary. Conference-tourament AQ's are a gimmick, period.

    I understand that I'm USCHO's designated D-3 AH, and I'm OK with that, actually, but I have never read anything even resembling a cogent opinion as to why it's just fine for a 5th place team -over the course of a 20+ game RS- to usurp an NCAA berth from another team which has won the conference RS...

    (And, I don't expect to, ever.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    You fail to grasp the concept that the conferences themselves determine how to award their AQ. They could choose to award it to the RS champion and not have a tournament at all, like the Big 10 once did for basketball. Have you considered writing to the UCHC rather than here?

    Look, last year the UCHC was the weakest conference in all of D3 hockey. That’s a one bid conference. When Utica couldn’t take care of their business in their own rink, you blamed it on the fact that Manhattanville’s average age was 8 months older than Utica’s and they were too big and strong. That’s lame sour grapes. Utica was’t left out of NCAA’s because they lost in their conference tournament bThey were left out because they didn’t take advantage of opportunities to beat the limited strong competition they faced out of conference. Those games were in the first half of the season, no?
    Umm, no...

    I never once referenced M'ville's age, because I never even bothered to look that up. Please.

    Had MC won the RS, and a pursuant RS AQ, I would have been OK with that. (20-23 games are better than 4, as a measuring stick, right?)

    I seem to recall you as an OSU fan.

    So, say, a Morrisville finishes in the pack in the SUNYAC, then gets white-hot for a couple of weekends, and displaces your Lakers from the NCAA's this coming season. Would you actually think that the RS was a throw-away?

    I doubt it... The RS exists for a reason, or at least it should.
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