Movie Thread #50: Godzilla gives us permission to nuke our enemies

[Slap Shot]

Dark Phoenix had little chance especially after how bad Apocalypse did. ...plus everyone knowing it doesnt even matter because Disney wants their own X-Men franchise...

I am clueless on all of this, but why would the latter part matter to the majority of those (like me) that buy tickets to this type of movie that don't care or even know about such things? I thought the trailer for this looked decent enough to merit a trip to the theater and I couldn't care less what Disney is going to do with XMEN in the future. Not trying to sound snarky but rather it's over my head.

[RaceBoarder]

I am clueless on all of this, but why would the latter part matter to the majority of those (like me) that buy tickets to this type of movie that don't care or even know about such things? I thought the trailer for this looked decent enough to merit a trip to the theater and I couldn't care less what Disney is going to do with XMEN in the future. Not trying to sound snarky but rather it's over my head.

People like you who just go to a movie, munch popcorn, and enjoy yourself for two hours while not thinking about continuity are sub-human

In reality, unless you've been living under a rock, you know about the Disney/Fox merger. You know that it will have repercussions on the Fox side. And given that this is one of the largest cash cow's on that side of the fence, you know there will be changes going forward....

[ScoobyDoo]

I got all that. But why should that make me not want to see this movie? I get what you're saying about continuity but whatever happens down the line isn't going to impact my "stand on its own" experience in viewing Dark Phoenix.

Surely Disney isn't going to stop making movies from the SW universe (perhaps this is a bad analogy) and even though I didn't really care for 7 nor 8 I am going to see 9 without question.

Depends.

I stopped going to X-Men movies after X-Men: The Last Stand cause it was so horrible. Want(ed) to see this one cause it's one of my favorite storylines but what I've heard is not good.

I may pass again.

[Slap Shot]

People like you who just go to a movie, munch popcorn, and enjoy yourself for two hours while not thinking about continuity are sub-human

In reality, unless you've been living under a rock, you know about the Disney/Fox merger. You know that it will have repercussions on the Fox side. And given that this is one of the largest cash cow's on that side of the fence, you know there will be changes going forward....

I got all that but as someone who is not vested in the franchise why should this merger make me not want to see Dark Phoenix? Whatever happens down the line I couldn't give a rip about and I imagine there's a lot more out there like me. If DP is doing poorly right now I suspect it has more to do with competition, reviews and poorly received trailers.

Surely Disney isn't going to stop making movies from the SW universe (perhaps this is a bad analogy) and even though I didn't really care for 7 nor 8 I am going to see 9 without question.

[Handyman]

I got all that but as someone who is not vested in the franchise why should this merger make me not want to see Dark Phoenix? Whatever happens down the line I couldn't give a rip about and I imagine there's a lot more out there like me. If DP is doing poorly right now I suspect it has more to do with competition, reviews and poorly received trailers.

Surely Disney isn't going to stop making movies from the SW universe (perhaps this is a bad analogy) and even though I didn't really care for 7 nor 8 I am going to see 9 without question.

Because these versions of the characters are done. They even put out a video thanking the fans. What came before is done as well.

Normally I agree with you but this is a much bigger deal. This is like X-Men: First Class only this time there will be no flip flopping on the decision and shoehorning the old continuity back in. (like they did with Days of Future's Past...which was awesome) Disney wants to start from scratch...and they havent even been quiet about it the reviews even discuss it. If they had quit after DOFP most likely they cross this cast over and go from there but with Apocalypse underperforming badly and this one being a critical and monetary disaster there is no point.

The Star Wars analogy doesnt work because Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are still Luke, Han and Leia. If Disney tomorrow said "After Episode 9 we are rebooting everything and starting over with a new Han, Leia and Luke) then the analogy holds.

That doesnt mean the new X-Men will suck (though they will be rather formulaic ) but it means that Dark Phoenix had two strikes against it anyways. Coming off an unpopular sequel with a lame duck cast and the most popular character (Wolverine) not involved. That just is never going to work.

[ScoobyDoo]

Coming off an unpopular sequel with a lame duck cast and the most popular character (Wolverine) not involved. That just is never going to work.

Not why I hate most of the films but I've always hated Wolverine. Such a boring character by marvel standards.

[Handyman]

Not why I hate most of the films but I've always hated Wolverine. Such a boring character by marvel standards.

Well I cant speak to that...he always ranks in the top 2 or 3 in popularity though. It is usually some combo of him, Batman and Spiderman. Those three are so overexposed it isnt even funny.

[ScoobyDoo]

Well I cant speak to that...he always ranks in the top 2 or 3 in popularity though. It is usually some combo of him, Batman and Spiderman. Those three are so overexposed it isnt even funny.

Yeah, I know he's popular. I've always hated him. Just a personal thing.

[Kepler]

Yeah, I know he's popular. I've always hated him. Just a personal thing.

Jackman's Wolverine is really easy to hate. He's got no depth or character, it's just cliches piled on top of each other and adolescent male profundity.

I did like the last movie, though, and it reversed a lot of the crappiness of the other ones. It didn't help the character that those other movies blew.

[Slap Shot]

Because these versions of the characters are done. They even put out a video thanking the fans. What came before is done as well.

Normally I agree with you but this is a much bigger deal. This is like X-Men: First Class only this time there will be no flip flopping on the decision and shoehorning the old continuity back in. (like they did with Days of Future's Past...which was awesome) Disney wants to start from scratch...and they havent even been quiet about it the reviews even discuss it. If they had quit after DOFP most likely they cross this cast over and go from there but with Apocalypse underperforming badly and this one being a critical and monetary disaster there is no point.

The Star Wars analogy doesnt work because Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are still Luke, Han and Leia. If Disney tomorrow said "After Episode 9 we are rebooting everything and starting over with a new Han, Leia and Luke) then the analogy holds.

That doesnt mean the new X-Men will suck (though they will be rather formulaic ) but it means that Dark Phoenix had two strikes against it anyways. Coming off an unpopular sequel with a lame duck cast and the most popular character (Wolverine) not involved. That just is never going to work.

Right on - this makes sense.

[Handyman]

Jackman's Wolverine is really easy to hate. He's got no depth or character, it's just cliches piled on top of each other and adolescent male profundity.

I did like the last movie, though, and it reversed a lot of the crappiness of the other ones. It didn't help the character that those other movies blew.

That isnt Jackman that is the character. Wolverine is a one note character beloved because he is a *****.

[ScoobyDoo]

That isnt Jackman that is the character. Wolverine is a one note character beloved because he is a *****.

This. I hated him in the comics long before I hated him on the screen.

[Kepler]

This. I hated him in the comics long before I hated him on the screen.

I'll take your word for it. But there are a-hole characters who are great to root for. Jackman drags his fatuous fake working class martyred pathos into all his work, from X Men to Les Mis. What if Bruce Springsteen took acting lessons from Clint Eastwood to portray Anne Frank? Blech.

[aparch]

...What if Bruce Springsteen [...] portray[ed] Anne Frank? ...

This sounds like a horrible WWII era Mrs. Doubtfire remake.

[The Rube]

The Duel:
A Texas Ranger investigates a series of unexplained deaths in a town called Helena.

Liam Hemsworth and Woody Harrelson star in the period piece (late 1800s). I thought it was a very good character study, nice suspense, good balance of all views involved. Alice Braga (Queen Of The South) is also in it, and she continues to impress me as an actress. I would recommend seeing this one.

[ScoobyDoo]

Dark Phoenix.

Best X-Men since X-Men 2.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

That isnt Jackman that is the character. Wolverine is a one note character beloved because he is a *****.

Yes, never insult Hugh jackman!!

[Handyman]

Dark Phoenix.

Best X-Men since X-Men 2.

Didnt you say you havent seen an X-Men film since X-Men: The Last Stand? Of course this would be better than that (that movie was awful)

Glad you liked it though I am seeing it Wednesday cause I aint paying.

[Handyman]

Yes, never insult Hugh jackman!!

[Handyman]

I finally was able to get my buddy to go see Endgame. (he just had a second kid and runs 2 businesses so time is not his friend) He loved it, I thought it was pretty good but way too long and the ending kind of annoyed me. That said it was a good ending for the series and certain characters...even though it totally left a wide open hole for them to come back in future films. (which is then backed up in the trailer for Spidey) We had fun though MST3king over some of the long drawn out parts and some of the grownworthy stuff.

On that note my buddy is a huge Spidey guy but he is NOT looking forward to that film. Makes me sad but I will still get him there He literally yelled during the Star Wars trailer about how awful that looks and even if I buy he wont go to that sadly.

Anyways Endgame gets an 8 out of 10...would have been a 9 if it was about 30 minutes shorter and if Hawkeye had been erased from existence