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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    Subscribed. Kepler is the resident pollster but I think it would be interesting to do a recurring primary poll.

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    I just love that I can step away for a day and everyone picks up the slack ripping trix for me

    And Kepler, no you arent a Bernie Bro if for no other reason that Bernie is Right Winged compared to you
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    But his bills!


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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    You know you're really a Bernie Bro when you decry Andrew Yang's take on UBI as a "sh*tty libertarian verison" (C) trix.
    Just to be more specific, his plan is really bad because it'd effectively just make everything cost more with the VAT he's proposing to pay for it.

    So if you get $1,200 a month in disability, Andrew Yang would not give you your UBI. Now, you might think “Well, but they can stick with their current benefits. They wouldn’t be worse off.” But no! They would be worse off, because Andrew Yang plans to fund his UBI with a giant Value Added Tax (VAT). From his website:

    Andrew proposes funding UBI by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction. A Value-Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces.
    What does this mean in practice? It means that if you’re on disability, the only change you see under a Yang administration is that everything you buy now has a 10% tax added to it. Assuming you spend all of your benefit each month, it means that you’ll be functionally ending up with over $1,000 less per year. And as my friend Benjamin Studebaker points out in his critique of Yang’s plan, this makes the tax highly “regressive.” Because it’s a tax on spending, and poor people spend a greater percentage of their income than rich people spend, poor people have to pay a higher percentage of their income to fund the UBI than rich people have to pay.
    So some of the most vulnerable in society just see their lives get harder under this approach to UBI and it kinda flies in the face of his "human centered capitalism" motto.

    That's from Nathan J Robinson's piece which goes into more detail on Yang.
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    Winning line - instead of putting Congre$$ on the Vets health plan, as many have called for; put the Vets on Congre$$'s health plan.

    And make it free for a retired/disabled vet with a sliding scale at 5% discount for every year you served on active duty (1/2 of that for reserves).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Subscribed. Kepler is the resident pollster but I think it would be interesting to do a recurring primary poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    And Kepler, no you arent a Bernie Bro if for no other reason that Bernie is Right Winged compared to you
    Well I'm glad somebody else recognizes the inherent reactionary conservatism of Sanders' positions. There is only one prosperous future:

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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids
    The only ones you could reasonably argue are pulling the party left are Bernie and Warren and it’s unclear whether Warren even still supports some of the policies that would have her to the left of the party (specifically m4a). The others aren’t better than Hillary in any notable way imo.

    As for the other candidates being no better than Hillary in any notable way, plenty of them are because plenty of them would have succeeded in the one area she was a miserable failure at, being able to beat the single worst candidate ever ever nominated for president by a major party.

    I may want the candidate who most aligns with my views to win, but in 2020 I am willing to compromise and be all in for whoever wins because we cannot afford another 4 years of this 5h!t. One or two of the current crop are better than the other 20+, but in my view that is almost meaningless. If you support any of the democrats running today and you sit out the election in November 2020 or vote for some 3rd party hack, my feelings are you are every bit as much of the problem as any fvcking nitwit out there who votes (or voted) for trump and you should rot in Hell along with them.

    America is becoming a fundamentally different place (and an exponentially worse one) than it was and we just might be down to our last election to prevent it from becoming an actual fascist state and not the fascist-lite version is has stumbled into recently. There will be two viable choices in virtually every election you will cast a ballot for in November 2020. If you can find it in your brain to vote anything but a straight democratic ticket you are voting for fascism.

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    Wait. I am? Sh-t.
    Only if you want the title. But then again, you have posted the most polls outside the lodge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    Just to be more specific, his plan is really bad because it'd effectively just make everything cost more with the VAT he's proposing to pay for it.

    So some of the most vulnerable in society just see their lives get harder under this approach to UBI and it kinda flies in the face of his "human centered capitalism" motto.

    That's from Nathan J Robinson's piece which goes into more detail on Yang.
    Call it sh*tty all you want, but it's definitely not "libertarian".
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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    Libertarians have proposed similar Yang-like models in the past.

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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    I get what Joe is saying here, but boy did he manage to turn this into a gaffe in the way that only he can:

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    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

    Biden = Mookie?
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    Biden truly is Vice President Matthews from My Fellow Americans, isn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kepler View Post
    well i'm glad somebody else recognizes the inherent reactionary conservatism of sanders' positions. There is only one prosperous future:

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I get what Joe is saying here, but boy did he manage to turn this into a gaffe in the way that only he can:

    Oh good lord...people need to lighten up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Oh good lord...people need to lighten up.
    They do, but you know as well as I do this was awful for him. And we're not even Biden fans, FFS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    They do, but you know as well as I do this was awful for him. And we're not even Biden fans, FFS!
    Mookie reads this as nurses being the ones with you 24/7 and keep up your spirits.

    But if some folks are sexists and assume all nurses nowadays are female (!!!) and wear white costumes, well then nothing mookie can do to fix that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Mookie reads this as nurses being the ones with you 24/7 and keep up your spirits.
    As does Fade, but to put this into Mookie terms (And how a lot of women seem to be reading this), Biden pulled a Michelle Kwan and bobbled it, so now it's about hot nurses.
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