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  • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Yes, and if it works it will be grand. No more placating the morons.
    Civil disorder is a lot of things, but it isn't grand. These people can do a lot of damage on their way to the trash pile of history.

    Replace one school or church shooting per week with a dozen.

    Imagine when they stop beating up their own kids and start on ours.

    Think about all the "Stand Your Ground" murders, and for that matter their LEO contingent's tender mercies.

    Ask the Bosnians how much fun a civil war is.
    Last edited by Kepler; 05-16-2019, 09:34 AM.
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    • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Yes, but his accomplishments were practically zilch and he lost the Supreme Court for probably the next two generations. And, he lost a record number of seats in the House and Senate while he was in office.

      Try to see the forest.
      So alienating as many as possible during the campaign is the resolution - despite the likelihood it prevents being elected? That's brilliant.

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      • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Yes, but his accomplishments were practically zilch and he lost the Supreme Court for probably the next two generations. And, he lost a record number of seats in the House and Senate while he was in office.

        Try to see the forest.
        Hold on. He didn't lose the Supreme Court for another generation. Liberal voters did by not turning it for Hillary.

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        • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
          So alienating as many as possible during the campaign is the resolution - despite the likelihood it prevents being elected? That's brilliant.
          I don't give a **** about alienating morons. I don't. We've been placating them for 4 decades now and it's done nothing but bring pain.
          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

            Originally posted by unofan View Post
            Hold on. He didn't lose the Supreme Court for another generation. Liberal voters did by not turning it for Hillary.
            His last lost seat.

            EDIT: I'll give an example. If Obama had told the American people Russia was campaigning for Trump. Hillary would have won. Instead he placated the morons (Turtle Boy).
            Last edited by ScoobyDoo; 05-16-2019, 09:55 AM.
            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

              The only Trump Humpers you have a chance to convert over to the Dems are farmers getting creamed by his trade war. There's a reason why Chump is making welfare payments to them and them only as opposed to manufacturers or retailers who are also getting hurt. Agriculture is the most directly affected and it tends to be concentrated in several states, meaning the entire population of the area is affected. So if whoever the Dem nominee is wants to play kiss a ss with these people in Iowa, okay - I get the strategy behind it. But aside from Iowa and the outside chance of Georgia, I don't see any other farming states that would be in play (I'm not counting WI as one of the Ag states).
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              • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                Was he elected? Twice even?
                And then what happened?

                I do agree with your overall point that working class people used to be represented by the Dems and can be won.

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                • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                  Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                  And then what happened?

                  I do agree with your overall point that working class people used to be represented by the Dems and can be won.
                  We already have working class people. They're non-white.

                  White working class people are gone. They have made their choice and they are happy with it. Dump is even better for them than Reagan. They are pigs in sh-t.
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                  • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    We already have working class people. They're non-white.

                    White working class people are gone. They have made their choice and they are happy with it. Dump is even better for them than Reagan. They are pigs in sh-t.
                    Yup. You aren't getting these people back. Although I like my feral cats analogy better.
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                    • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      We already have working class people. They're non-white.

                      White working class people are gone. They have made their choice and they are happy with it. Dump is even better for them than Reagan. They are pigs in sh-t.
                      Not necessarily, if we have candidates supporting higher min wages, unions, and things like Medicare for All (not some ridiculous piece-mealed medicare for some with a deductible and copays that's means tested and still allows private insurance to gouge the hell out of everyone and deny peoples' claims) then working whites can be won too. Not all of them mind you but a significant number of the ones that have been lost. If these people could be won in the past they can be won now, we just can't keep propping up neo-liberals who are unwilling to fight for any of these things and then act shocked when they lose congress and like half the state legislatures.

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                      • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                        Not necessarily, if we have candidates supporting higher min wages, unions, and things like Medicare for All (not some ridiculous piece-mealed medicare for some with a deductible and copays that's means tested and still allows private insurance to gouge the hell out of everyone and deny peoples' claims) then working whites can be won too. Not all of them mind you but a significant number of the ones that have been lost. If these people could be won in the past they can be won now, we just can't keep propping up neo-liberals who are unwilling to fight for any of these things and then act shocked when they lose congress and like half the state legislatures.
                        In Fantasyland, trix. You could run on all that, and they'd agree with you but the minute you got into a race with a GOP candidate who wants to throw all illegal immigrants in jail your liberal candidate is done.

                        There's nothing stopping Sanders like progressives from running places like Ohio. In fact Nina Turner did and lost, as did Warren's good friend Richard Cordray. Your theory would have more credence if it was backed up by factual evidence. Show me the arch progressive not named "Sherrod Brown" who's won anywhere in any of these places?
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                        • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          Not necessarily, if we have candidates supporting higher min wages, unions, and things like Medicare for All (not some ridiculous piece-mealed medicare for some with a deductible and copays that's means tested and still allows private insurance to gouge the hell out of everyone and deny peoples' claims) then working whites can be won too. Not all of them mind you but a significant number of the ones that have been lost. If these people could be won in the past they can be won now, we just can't keep propping up neo-liberals who are unwilling to fight for any of these things and then act shocked when they lose congress and like half the state legislatures.
                          It doesn't really matter that we disagree on whether they'll come back since we agree on what the Democratic party should stand for. A radical swing to the left and a complete overhaul of our party in the direction of economic justice.

                          But I do not believe any voter in this country actually thinks "well, I'd go Democratic but the Republicans have such a good record on the needs of the working class." Even Republican voters realize that the Republican party does not give a sh-t about the working class. They just have been brainwashed into thinking that if they ever get anything to meet their needs that's TEH SOCIALISMS!!!1!1 They've been taught self-hatred and to polish the knobs of the rich who might give them something. They literally think, "Well, I know it sounds like a good idea to have greater economic equality but if we do that it's like fattening foods and will be bad for us in the long run. A disciplined austerity may be uncomfortable but I am wise and strong enough to defer my present comfort for a more long-lasting and stable prosperity."

                          That message is the greatest bullsh-t the .01% ever put over on the working class and they laugh themselves to sleep over it. Of course it's just the serving-serving propaganda of an Idle Inheritor Leisure Class doing everything it can to become even richer off everyone else's labor. But it sounds good -- particularly to a group who has grown up on stories about virtue rewarded in heaven.

                          Anybody who actually is swayed by substantive policy like minimum wage, workers rights, benefits, regulation of finance, medical care, etc. has been a Democrat for decades. But the white working class has run the other way. They don't oppose us -- they hate us.

                          We should stand behind far more radical efforts to help the working class in this country, but we'll never get any support from the white ones -- they'll fight us all the way. They're f-cked up in the head.
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                          • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            I don't give a **** about alienating morons. I don't. We've been placating them for 4 decades now and it's done nothing but bring pain.
                            ******* did you even comprehend my opening remark? Clearly not if you think I've advocated any of this.

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                            • Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              His last lost seat.

                              EDIT: I'll give an example. If Obama had told the American people Russia was campaigning for Trump. Hillary would have won. Instead he placated the morons (Turtle Boy).
                              No he didnt. He didnt go public about it because he didnt want to unduly influence the election. It had nothing to do with placating anyone. Speaking of which why is that your new thing? All of a sudden now everyone is placating people. (even when they arent)

                              And if the Libs vote they get their liberal justice. They just had to prove their point though...and screwed us for a generation. For al your whining about "The Middle" they voted...it was the Left who stayed home. "The Middle" loved Hillary.
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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                It doesn't really matter that we disagree on whether they'll come back since we agree on what the Democratic party should stand for. A radical swing to the left and a complete overhaul of our party in the direction of economic justice.
                                relevant tweet thread

                                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                                No he didnt. He didnt go public about it because he didnt want to unduly influence the election
                                Meanwhile the other side actually cares about winning...
                                Last edited by trixR4kids; 05-16-2019, 11:46 AM.

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