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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    Yeah it's not like we can't look at other countries like France or the countless historical examples of similar candidates leading to that outcome
    If anybody can translate trix' argument please have at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    Yeah it's not like we can't look at other countries like France or the countless historical examples of similar candidates leading to that outcome
    Well, in Weimar-era Germany, it was hardly "Third Way" neoliberalism that swept the Nazis into power following the worldwide economic collapse in the early 30s. Multiple factors went into that mess, most of all the Treaty of Versailles and economic mismanagement that led to hyperinflation. The US has neither of those currently hanging over its head, but we do have plenty of other problems that are fcuking over a sizable part of the population.
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    No. We really don't. The Dumpies would deserve it but the other 65% of us can just go ahead, vote for Biden, and grin from ear to ear.

    Blue no matter who, all the way from dog catcher on to president. No R no matter how good, no third parties, nothing. If we don't like our choices we can run ourselves, or shut the f-ck up, because the line is all played out, now. In the last 25 years the GOP has used up every inch of the democratic slack this country built up over the prior 218 years.
    Yep that needs to be the standard for now. Not my favorite idea mind you but until the GOP grows a spine they get no quarter.
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    If given the choice between Paul Ryan and Donald Trump, I'd enthusiastically take Paul Ryan. He'd **** us economically, but at least he wouldn't be putting us in weekly constitutional crises.

    That's the fundamental scenario you seem to not be getting. ANYTHING is better than Trump.

    Would I prefer a Klobuchar or Warren? Yes, 100% yes.
    I would personally drink the hemlock because I coudnt handle making the choice...but yes even Paul Ryan is better than Trump.
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

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    Well, in Weimar-era Germany, it was hardly "Third Way" neoliberalism that swept the Nazis into power following the worldwide economic collapse in the early 30s. Multiple factors went into that mess, most of all the Treaty of Versailles and economic mismanagement that led to hyperinflation. The US has neither of those currently hanging over its head, but we do have plenty of other problems that are fcuking over a sizable part of the population.
    I don't think Germany is the best comparison, mostly because it's a different version (and the logical extreme) of fascism and as you mention the economic conditions were certainly worse there. But as you also mention the various problems here open the door for the more US-centric brand of it. Henry Giroux's article talks about how it invaded the US and some of the causes as well as going over the Germany comparison. The other thing I'd say is that "neoliberalism" doesn't necessarily mean third way politics, it mostly just refers to the idea that the market can fix everything which often leads to all the problems related to crony capitalism run amok.

    Theorists, novelists, historians and writers that include such luminaries as Hannah Arendt, Sinclair Lewis, Bertram Gross, Umberto Eco, Robert O. Paxton, Timothy Snyder, Susan Sontag and Sheldon Wolin have argued convincingly that fascism remains an ongoing danger and has the ability to become relevant under new conditions. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Arendt warned totalitarianism was far from a thing of the past because the conditions of extreme precarity and uncertainty that produce it were likely to crystallize into new forms.21

    What Arendt thought was crucial for each generation to recognize was that the presence of the Nazi camps and the policy of extermination should be understood not only as the logical outcome of a totalitarian society or simply a return of the past, but also for what their histories suggest about forecasting a “possible model for the future.”22 The nightmare of fascism’s past cannot escape memory because it needs to be retold over and over again so as to recognize when it is happening again. Rather than fade into the past, mass poverty, unchecked homelessness, large-scale rootlessness, fearmongering, social atomization, state terrorism and the politics of elimination have provided the seeds for new forms of fascism to appear. Paxton, the renowned historian of fascism, argues in his “The Anatomy of Fascism” that the texture of American fascism would not mimic traditional European forms but would be rooted in the language, symbols and culture of everyday life:

    "No swastikas in an American fascism, but Stars and Stripes (or Stars and Bars) and Christian crosses. No fascist salute, but mass recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance. These symbols contain no whiff of fascism in themselves, of course, but an American fascism would transform them into obligatory litmus tests for detecting the internal enemy.23"

    Given the alarming signs that have come into play under the Trump administration, it is hard to look away and condone the suppression of the history and language of fascism and its relevance for understanding America’s flight from the promise and ideals of a substantive democracy. This is not to suggest the only template for addressing the legacy of fascism is to point to Nazi Germany, the most extreme of the fascist states, or, for that matter, to Mussolini’s brand of fascism. Not only does the comparison not work, but it tends to understand fascist ideals only against its most extreme expressions.

    While it is true the U.S. may not be putting millions in gas chambers or promoting genocide, there remain reworked elements of the past in the present. For instance, there are already echoes of the past in existing and expanding infrastructures of punishment—amounting to a carceral state—that have grown exponentially in the past four decades. In fact, the United States has the largest prison system in the world, with more than 2.5 million people incarcerated. Astonishingly, this figure does not include immigrant detention centers and other forms of encampment around the U.S. border with Mexico. The visibility of this state-sanctioned punishing apparatus and its similarity to a fascist history was on display recently with the caging of young immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents at the southern border for months at a time. Needless to say, such institutions and actions resonate with deeply disturbing events of a dark past for which the violent separation of families was a hallmark feature of fascist brutality.

    Reports of widespread abuse of imprisoned unaccompanied migrant children separated from their parents are increasingly being reported in the press. Detained under inhumane and cruel conditions, many of these children in government detention centers are allegedly being drugged, sexually abused, and subject to a range of inhumane actions. In Texas, a federal judge ordered a detention center to stop forcing children to take psychotropic drugs such as Clonazepam, Divalproex, Benztropine and Duloxetine in order to control their behavior. Needless to say, such actions, policies, and institutions resonate with deeply disturbing events of a dark past in which the violent separation of families was a hallmark feature of fascist cruelty, barbarism and brutality.
    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ne...es-of-history/ (that article is more US/Trump focused but gives a background on fascism and the conditions that lead to it)
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    Humor folks.

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    Still not gettin' there, joe.

    There's gotta be something in the wingnutsphere funnier than the BB. Even for conservatives, it's lame.

    Chesterton might have been a nitwit, but at least he could get off a good line now and again.
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Dennis Miller is the height of comedy on that side of the aisle lol.

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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Still not gettin' there, joe.

    There's gotta be something in the wingnutsphere funnier than the BB. Even for conservatives, it's lame.

    Chesterton might have been a nitwit, but at least he could get off a good line now and again.
    I could be wrong, but isn't the BB supposed to be making fun of conservative rags like Breitbart and The Daily Wire who try and fail at "gotcha" journalism on a daily basis?
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

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    I could be wrong, but isn't the BB supposed to be making fun of conservative rags like Breitbart and The Daily Wire who try and fail at "gotcha" journalism on a daily basis?
    OK, I guess the joke is it's not funny, like the Onion comics.



    I'll admit I fell for it completely so it's pitch perfect. I'll take my lumps.
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    It's a mixture of unfunny, faux-Shapiroisms and the kind of obvious satire the average chapter of the College Democrats, or the average student satire publication at Western Bumblefart State U would find clever and hilarious.
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    Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

    It is supposed to be The Onion for conservatives. At the very least, conservatives are the only ones I know who share it.

    If they’re trying to be a Colbert Report, then they’re definitely not pulling the same demographic.

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