2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Wake me up when the big league debates start. I can't be bothered to watch town halls for these small fry, boring centrist warmongers.

[Rover]

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Still, nothing Perez has done so far is giving me a ton of confidence

Can't say if he's more Howard Dean or Debbie Wasserman Schultz at this point! Dems did very well in 2018 considering a brutal map in both the House (gerrymandering) and Senate (worst map in a generation). However they continue to blow winnable races in Florida and Ohio as both state parties would have trouble winning an uncontested race for a major office. Having said all that they've done two un s exy things right. 1) they needed some sort of criteria to make the debates and what they've come up with isn't bad. 2) they continue to try to modernize the selection process by curbing super delegates and encouraging states to hold primaries instead of caucuses.

Bottom line is, win in 2020 and the dude's a genius. Lose and he's a failure.

[Handyman]

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Can't say if he's more Howard Dean or Debbie Wasserman Schultz at this point! Dems did very well in 2018 considering a brutal map in both the House (gerrymandering) and Senate (worst map in a generation). However they continue to blow winnable races in Florida and Ohio as both state parties would have trouble winning an uncontested race for a major office. Having said all that they've done two un s exy things right. 1) they needed some sort of criteria to make the debates and what they've come up with isn't bad. 2) they continue to try to modernize the selection process by curbing super delegates and encouraging states to hold primaries instead of caucuses.

Bottom line is, win in 2020 and the dude's a genius. Lose and he's a failure.

2018 has zero to do with him and everything to do with the actual elected leadership like Pelosi (war mongering centrist that she is) framing Health Care as the issue of the election. Perez is an empty suit who is best to just get out of the way.

I like Inslee and all but he is an idiot to suggest that if true. If he wants an hour long discussion on the topic have a Town Hall. No one will watch a debate on climate change and it will do nothing to advance the agenda OR help it get more exposure.

[Kepler]

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Still, nothing Perez has done so far is giving me a ton of confidence

Dr. Mrs. knows Perez and respects him, FWIW.

The reporting on facts is bad enough. The reporting on the politicization of facts is even worse and the reporting on the politics of the politicization of facts is now three steps removed from anything real and probably bears about as close a resemblance to truth as sports reporting.

My experience of personally knowing a few of the people inside the Beltway who are making these decisions is that on past events first tier news outlets (NYT, WaPo, NPR, BBC, DW, Economist) get a lot right, second tier news outlets (cable news, network news, Time, US News) get almost nothing right, and social media and talk radio are worse than worthless. When even first tier news outlets speculate on strategy, motive, and deals they are just pulling it from their butt. There is no way to get a fix on which people are doing a good or bad job based on Twitter or 99% of news media outlets. They are primarily entertainment providers. The only way to have even the slightest idea of truth is to actually be part of the process (which by definition can only be within a very narrow, specialized, myopic scope) and/or to judge objectively from results, which requires time.

Based on all that... I don't see Perez as a problem. He seems to be a classic technocrat who works within his lane, networks well with others, is fairly non-biased, and keeps his head down. Each of those things is a marked improvement over what has colonized the DNC at times before.

As with Mueller, he doesn't self-promote so people with narratives to push simply write whatever is most convenient for them onto him as a tabula rasa. But they don't know anything, and when they speculate they're just writing their own autobiographies.

[trixR4kids]

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If nobody was going to watch it then Perez probably wouldn't be going out of his way to make threats regarding having a debate on the topic. It also might have something to do with the fact that the DNC removed its ban on fossil fuel donations a while back.

[Rover]

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If nobody was going to watch it then Perez probably wouldn't be going out of his way to make threats regarding having a debate on the topic. It also might have something to do with the fact that the DNC removed its ban on fossil fuel donations a while back.

Why do you go through all the trouble of creating your own reality if you're going to be upset all the time when you're in it? If you want to be insane, try being a happy insane.

[trixR4kids]

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The DNC didn't remove its ban from fossil fuel donations? Who's creating their own reality?

[Rover]

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The DNC didn't remove its ban from fossil fuel donations? Who's creating their own reality?

They may very well have, but nobody is banning this subject matter from being discussed at the DNC debates, so clearly the fossil fuel industry is wasting their money. Its like arguing that the DNC accepting donations from the legalized weed industry shows bias in favor of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

[mookie1995]

They may very well have, but nobody is banning this subject matter from being discussed at the DNC debates, so clearly the fossil fuel industry is wasting their money. Its like arguing that the DNC accepting donations from the legalized weed industry shows bias in favor of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

One has a greater impact than the other

[Handyman]

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If nobody was going to watch it then Perez probably wouldn't be going out of his way to make threats regarding having a debate on the topic. It also might have something to do with the fact that the DNC removed its ban on fossil fuel donations a while back.

Because it is a flipping waste of time. Or its a conspiracy...cause that seems to be your go to.

This isnt a one issue candidacy for anyone but him (and Yang with UBI) so a one issue debate is stupid. Inslee will take the hardest stance, everyone else will kowtow to show how Green they are and nothing will change in the minds of the voters or on the agenda.

Or its a conspiracy...and Perez fears it so much he is screwing Inslee because...reasons?

[Rover]

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One has a greater impact than the other

I agree. Once those potheads start pooling their donations to the Sanders campaign he'll have enough money to hire Vlady Putin to work for him instead of Trump!

[Kepler]

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Because it is a flipping waste of time. Or its a conspiracy...cause that seems to be your go to.

This isnt a one issue candidacy for anyone but him (and Yang with UBI) so a one issue debate is stupid. Inslee will take the hardest stance, everyone else will kowtow to show how Green they are and nothing will change in the minds of the voters or on the agenda.

Or its a conspiracy...and Perez fears it so much he is screwing Inslee because...reasons?

Easy enough for Inslee to raise the profile of the issue: host a townhall on it unaffiliated with the party. Don't make it a debate between candidates, make it a session to discuss the problem and possible solutions. Invite anybody to show up.

[mookie1995]

Easy enough for Inslee to raise the profile of the issue: host a townhall on it unaffiliated with the party. Don't make it a debate between candidates, make it a session to discuss the problem and possible solutions. Invite anybody to show up.

Does msnbc offer up time for programming? Funny how cnn and fox do, as if their regularly schedule stuff will get (obviously) less viewers. Would think lib central should salivate to get this stuff on air

[trixR4kids]

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Yeah discussing the best way to combat something that's going to end our planet and bring it to the forefront is a waste of time lmfao. It's hilarious how hard people stan for people that clearly don't have their best interests in mind.

[Slap Shot]

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To beat Trump the candidate needs to do the following - as early as now, surely through the debates to earn the nomination and continued with debates against Orange Droolius:

1. Do not insult his base nor anyone that voted for him. You are only going to galvanize them and give them another reason for a one finger salute at the ballot box
2. Explain how your policies are going to help more than hurt the non-one-percenters that voted for him

Trump didn't win because of his promises for the SC or because he wanted to lock up Hillary. He won because he convinced a great number of voters he was going to help them. Even though almost none of that has come to fruition, you still have a certain % of voters - those that will win or lose the election - that will hold their nose and vote D if you convince them but will surely go back to Trump if you spite them. You're not going to do get their vote by insulting them and certainly not by stating Trump should be in prison.