POTUS 45:52: Not Founded On Anything

[The Sicatoka]

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But our institutions will save us from his worst impulses. Find comfort in that fact.

So, effectively, "the swamp" (entrenched bureaucracy) that Trump claims to want to "drain" is getting even more bold and powerful under Trump.

[rufus]

So, effectively, "the swamp" (entrenched bureaucracy) that Trump claims to want to "drain" is getting even more bold and powerful under Trump.

You have no idea what the swamp is, do you?

Nor sarcasm

[The Sicatoka]

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You have no idea what the swamp is, do you?

I'm pretty sure I know Trump's meaning when he says it, as he's said as much, namely, the entrenched bureaucracy and bureaucrats of DC.

[Kepler]

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I'm pretty sure I know Trump's meaning when he says it, as he's said as much, namely, the entrenched bureaucracy and bureaucrats of DC.

In other words the subject matter experts who actually know sh-t. The technicians who makes things run and fix them when the pols break them. The brains of the machine.

If given the choice of a government of politicals without careerists or careerists without politicals I know which one I'm choosing.

[The Sicatoka]

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Nor sarcasm

Oh, I can't fathom what sarcasm is ...

[The Sicatoka]

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In other words the subject matter experts who actually know sh-t. The technicians who makes things run and fix them when the pols break them. The brains of the machine.

If given the choice of a government of politicals without careerists or careerists without politicals I know which one I'm choosing.

I don't disagree; however, the problem is the political careerists, the career ideologues.

[Kepler]

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Oh, I can't fathom what sarcasm is ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAw2c25eG_o

[French Rage]

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It's like those **** doctors that are medical careerists. C'mon buddy, devoted your whole life to gaining expert knowledge in your field and wanting to apply, what's your game there?

[The Sicatoka]

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It's like those **** doctors that are medical careerists. C'mon buddy, devoted your whole life to gaining expert knowledge in your field and wanting to apply, what's your game there?

Can they separate objective fact from political biases? And can they separate set their biases aside and act on fact only.

[GrinCDXX]

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I don't disagree; however, the problem is the political careerists, the career ideologues.

That used to be the problem.

[Kepler]

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I don't disagree; however, the problem is the political careerists, the career ideologues.

You've conflating terms. There are two types of people in the bureacracy: the careers who do everything and the politicals who are appointed by the President and who take all the credit.

The careers are worker bees. Like everywhere else, there are good ones and bad ones. The good ones are as good as anywhere in the private sector. They do all the work. The make everything run. They fix everything when it breaks.

The politicals are... well, they're political. Sometimes you get somebody who was career and is willing to go political but usually they are the BMOC dullard type who waves his arms around and acts like he's knows what he's doing, projects confidence, harrumpfs, and generally postures. At his best he's an advocate for his department during budgeting. Basically, he's a CEO: probably a pinhead but perhaps just barely enough on the ball not to get in the way.

Now enter politicians. They promise everything. They're sales. Then put politicals in place as their overseers to pass their edicts to the careers. And then the careers tell them why what they promised is (1) impossible, (2) dumb, (3) actually counter-productive to what they say their values are. The politicals get harrumpfy rumpfy about this and say things like "'no ' isn't in my dictionary," to which the careers say "yeah, I can believe that, you do seem stupid." The politicians HATE the careers because they hate reality, so they blame all their failures on "that darn red tape," "those job-killing regulations," "the intransigence of bureaucrats," "the swamp." I would have had perpetual motion except for the sabotage.

But that is all bullsh-t, and always has been. What the politicians are saying is "I promised infinite free energy and since I didn't get it somebody conspired against me!" And the voters are dumb and they lap it up.

The idea that the careers are following their own political agenda is tripe. The careers I know (and my god I know a ton of them now) are rule-driven and dedicated. They do their jobs. When pols whinge about them they are whining about the intrusion of reality into their fantasyland.

[rufus]

I don't disagree; however, the problem is the political careerists, the career ideologues.

Yes, cause those outsider candidates are such a vast improvement.

[Slap Shot]

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If you replace the swamp with 1%'ers that don't give a flip about the average American nor the post they were appointed for that's not draining the swamp, that's replacing crocodiles with alligators.

[aparch]

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If you replace the swamp with 1%'ers that don't give a flip about the average American nor the post they were appointed for that's not draining the swamp, that's replacing crocodiles with alligators.

But Sic likes alligators over crocodiles, so he's cool with the swap.

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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If you replace the swamp with 1%'ers that don't give a flip about the average American nor the post they were appointed for that's not draining the swamp, that's replacing crocodiles with alligators.

It's basically draining the Everglades and replacing it with water from the Bayou...