WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

[davyd83]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

There was a proposal floated some years ago at the coaches convention to take the WCHA/CCHA “leftovers” and AHA and form 3 7 team conferences, play each team in your conference 4x for 24 and a member of each other conference 2x. It was something along the line of
UAA, Bemidji, Mankato, Tech, NMU, LSSU & Ferris in one, UAF, BG, Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, UAH in another and RIT, AI, Bentley, Sacred Heart, Holy Cross, Army and Air Force in the third. Not exactly those groups, but very similar. It made far too much sense to get any real traction outside the coaches.

[MTUHuskies]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

There was a proposal floated some years ago at the coaches convention to take the WCHA/CCHA “leftovers” and AHA and form 3 7 team conferences, play each team in your conference 4x for 24 and a member of each other conference 2x. It was something along the line of
UAA, Bemidji, Mankato, Tech, NMU, LSSU & Ferris in one, UAF, BG, Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, UAH in another and RIT, AI, Bentley, Sacred Heart, Holy Cross, Army and Air Force in the third. Not exactly those groups, but very similar. It made far too much sense to get any real traction outside the coaches.

I could get on board with that.

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[aparch]

There was a proposal floated some years ago at the coaches convention to take the WCHA/CCHA “leftovers” and AHA and form 3 7 team conferences, play each team in your conference 4x for 24 and a member of each other conference 2x. It was something along the line of
UAA, Bemidji, Mankato, Tech, NMU, LSSU & Ferris in one, UAF, BG, Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, UAH in another and RIT, AI, Bentley, Sacred Heart, Holy Cross, Army and Air Force in the third. Not exactly those groups, but very similar. It made far too much sense to get any real traction outside the coaches.

I think similar ideas were floated, glad to hear it was actually talked about.

The WCHA, CCHA, and ECHA. What could have been.

[Slap Shot]

Penn State loads up with AH schools, and it got them to one NCAA tournament and close to another

They've had a Div I program for how many years now? How long did it take SCSU, MSUM and BSU to do the same?

[UMD21]

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west - UAF/UAA/AF/ASU
central - MNSU/BSU/MTU/NMU
east - LSSU/FSU/BGSU/UAH

play most of your games within your region and make sure to schedule games with the other two with a rotation every year. keep things simple opening up more (then now) NC games with teams around you. as an example west could play DU and CC, central can play UofMN and SCSU, and east can play MSU and MIAMI.
GO TECH GOLD!
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What about tUMD, you dick? Don’t you remember when we used to play 2 series/year in WCHA? What are we, chopped liver?

[gfmorris]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

Is the concept of a scheduling interlock still dead?

GFM

[hockeykrazy]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

They've had a Div I program for how many years now? How long did it take SCSU, MSUM and BSU to do the same?

SCSU - 1st year 1987-88, NCAA tournament second year 1988-89 Independent. Herb Brooks took the job at $21K dependent on commitment to go D1 and secure state funding for an arena. National Hockey Center built in their 3rd D1 season 1989-90. Opened Dec 16, 1989
MSUM - 1st year 1996-97, NCAA tournament seventh year 2002-03 WCHA. Announced going D1 in 1992 but shot down by the Minn State University board, took another stab in 1995 and was approved. Mankato Civic arena first hockey game Feb 3, 1995
BSU - 1st year 1999-2000, NCAA tournament sixth year 2004-05 CHA. Went D1 because the NCAA ended sponsorship of a Division II ice hockey tournament due to lack of membership. Sanford Arena first hockey game Oct 15, 2010.

PSU- 1st year 2012-13, NCAA tournament fifth year 2016-17. $88 million donation by the Pegula's in 2010 upgraded to $102 million. Pegula Ice arena opened Oct 11, 2013

[DrunkTrainPolka]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

What about tUMD, you dick? Don’t you remember when we used to play 2 series/year in WCHA? What are we, chopped liver?

while i would LOVE to be in the same conference as UMD, its not realistic to think that will happen in the near future.

we can still play two series every year... and trust me, it isn't happening because tech does not want to...

GO TECH GOLD!

[MTUHuskies]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

What about tUMD, you dick? Don’t you remember when we used to play 2 series/year in WCHA? What are we, chopped liver?

Ummm, wasn't UMD one of the schools that blew up the WCHA and CCHA to form the Nacho? Who's the dick?

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[purpleinnebraska]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

They've had a Div I program for how many years now? How long did it take SCSU, MSUM and BSU to do the same?

Not judging them in any way. The discussion was about scheduling, and I was simply pointing out that under the Pairwise, it's more important to win than it is to schedule highly ranked opponents. College basketball is just the opposite. You get more credit for playing Duke at Duke than you do for beating up on UMKC. It may be wiser for WCHA teams to look for possible non-con wins against AH opponents, than it is for taking on Denver, Michigan, etc. every year and having it hurt us at tournament time.

[MTUHuskies]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

If you win against lower ranked teams you should still get a bid. If you win against higher ranked teams you will get a better seed. (Which could mean you only have to travel to Allentown instead of going to Manchester).

Bottom line is just win the **** games on your schedule.

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[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

There really isn’t a convenient way to group these schools.

Even the proposed 3 conference solution forces the AHA schools (the least able to afford additional burden) to take on flights to Alabama.

Just look at the geographic disparity all around:

The outliers:
UAA
UA(F)
ASU
USAFA

Minnesota:
BSU
MnSU

Michigan & Ohio:
MTU
NMU
LSSU
FSU
BGSU

The South:
UAH

AHA West:
Mercyhurst
RMU
Niagara
Canisius
RIT

AHA East:
Army
AIC
Bentley
Holy Cross
Sacred Heart

Wildcards:
~7 D-II schools just waiting for the NCAA to be cool with just letting D-II schools play D-I. All in the AHA-East region.

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

Until the non-RIT AHA schools are capable of drawing more than a few hundred fans per game, I’m not sure what you could ask them to shoulder for travel burdens.

Fantasy casting a conference for them is tough. It’s easier to envision them with the remaining D-II schools to give them more short bus rides and fewer trips past Albany.

[davyd83]

There really isn’t a convenient way to group these schools.

Even the proposed 3 conference solution forces the AHA schools (the least able to afford additional burden) to take on flights to Alabama.

Just look at the geographic disparity all around:

The outliers:
UAA
UA(F)
ASU
USAFA

Minnesota:
BSU
MnSU

Michigan & Ohio:
MTU
NMU
LSSU
FSU
BGSU

The South:
UAH

AHA West:
Mercyhurst
RMU
Niagara
Canisius
RIT

AHA East:
Army
AIC
Bentley
Holy Cross
Sacred Heart

Wildcards:
~7 D-II schools just waiting for the NCAA to be cool with just letting D-II schools play D-I. All in the AHA-East region.

Alabama-Huntsville and the two Alaska schools pay a travel stipend to incoming schools. There are schools that are within a 10-12 hour bus trip in the UAH grouping. No, it’s not like Sacred Heart to Holy Cross or Canisius to Niagara marathons, but it’s very doable.

[KaMiGo]

Re: WCHA + AHA + ASU = BETTER (for all)

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play most of your games within your region and make sure to schedule games with the other two with a rotation every year. keep things simple opening up more (then now) NC games with teams around you. as an example west could play DU and CC, central can play UofMN and SCSU, and east can play MSU and MIAMI.

You say that like these teams in the current WCHA and AHA would get to call the shots on what games they schedule for out of conference.

You are not going to get WCHA/AHA schools scheduling 1 for 1 with NCHC/B1G schools. NCHC/B1G has the travel budget, they don't care how much WCHA/AHA does or doesn't have. NCHC/B1G is going to schedule 1 for 1 with BIG/NCHC, with a mix of HEA and then fill up the rest with 2 for 1 or 1 for 0 games against other conferences.

If anything, you are going to end up with WCHA/AHA schools in 1 for 2 or 2 for 3 agreements with NCHC/B1G schools and you are going to ruin the budget because 1) they are traveling more, so more travel expenses and 2) they are traveling more, so less revenue from home games.

Like it or not, the "big" schools have most of the power when scheduling and this realignment wouldn't change that.