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    MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Here is a link to a discussion on D-3 soccer. Rather than summarize it, I will let anyone interested go and read it. If they were expelled from the MIAC, where would they go? Up to D-1 or D-2, the latter would destroy their hockey program.

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by neumyer View Post
    Here is a link to a discussion on D-3 soccer. Rather than summarize it, I will let anyone interested go and read it. If they were expelled from the MIAC, where would they go? Up to D-1 or D-2, the latter would destroy their hockey program.

    https://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8941.0
    If they stay in DIII they could try to join the WIAC. Not that far from the schools in that conference...
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    If they stay in DIII they could try to join the WIAC. Not that far from the schools in that conference...
    Isn't a competitive private university the reason they ran out of the NCHA in the first place? Doubt they'd welcome one in now. Especially if they are being booted from the MIAC for being too good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    Isn't a competitive private university the reason they ran out of the NCHA in the first place? Doubt they'd welcome one in now. Especially if they are being booted from the MIAC for being too good.
    Did anyone at the time though think they were going to lose the auto bid? I think the WI state schools thought some of the NCHA schools would stay with them so they would keep the auto bid. Granted, they've still been able to find success with Stevens Point and Eau Claire winning national titles but without the auto bid, it's always an iffy road on whether or not you'll get a team into the NCAA Tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    Isn't a competitive private university the reason they ran out of the NCHA in the first place? Doubt they'd welcome one in now. Especially if they are being booted from the MIAC for being too good.

    Finlandia is an associate member of the WIAC for baseball and Northland will be an associate for hockey next season and they are private, granted much smaller in population than St. Thomas.

    The Eau Claire AD said on record in an interview that pulling out of the NCHA was a mistake because of the autobid situation, so that makes one stakeholder likely open to more associate members for ice hockey. If he's not the only AD who feels that way there could be potential to add more private schools. Whether St. Thomas fits the profile they want is another question
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Finlandia is an associate member of the WIAC for baseball and Northland will be an associate for hockey next season and they are private, granted much smaller in population than St. Thomas.

    The Eau Claire AD said on record in an interview that pulling out of the NCHA was a mistake because of the autobid situation, so that makes one stakeholder likely open to more associate members for ice hockey. If he's not the only AD who feels that way there could be potential to add more private schools. Whether St. Thomas fits the profile they want is another question
    Short of La Crosse, Platteville, Whitewater, or Oshkosh whipping a team out of thin air, not sure what other option the WIAC would have beyond an affiliate/new member.

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    I'm honestly surprised those WIAC schools you've mentioned haven't added a hockey school or aren't required to start one up by a certain year. WIAC dominates in a ton of other sports, recruiting pool is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKrosky View Post
    I'm honestly surprised those WIAC schools you've mentioned haven't added a hockey school or aren't required to start one up by a certain year. WIAC dominates in a ton of other sports, recruiting pool is crazy.
    I'm more surprised (but happy) when there are new programs at all. Hockey is an expensive sport to play. Public colleges (and private ones too) are under a lot of strain with their budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Did anyone at the time though think they were going to lose the auto bid? I think the WI state schools thought some of the NCHA schools would stay with them so they would keep the auto bid. Granted, they've still been able to find success with Stevens Point and Eau Claire winning national titles but without the auto bid, it's always an iffy road on whether or not you'll get a team into the NCAA Tournament.
    Eau Claire won their title in 2013, the last season of the old NCHA.

    Still, Point has won two titles since the WIAC split and to be honest, that is two more than I thought the conference would ever win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKrosky View Post
    I'm honestly surprised those WIAC schools you've mentioned haven't added a hockey school or aren't required to start one up by a certain year. WIAC dominates in a ton of other sports, recruiting pool is crazy.
    Public education funding has not been a strong suit of the state of Wisconsin lately.

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    The vote to change the MIAC bylaws to add an enrollment cap is today. 9 schools need to approve which means 5 against sink it. I've read that St. John's, their football rival, wants them to stay. If that's true they need 3 more schools on their side to sink it.

    I'm very curious which institution is whipping the votes for kicking the Tommies out, and if they have the votes.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    I wonder if its possible they would throw St. Thomas out as a full member, but the Tommies stick around for hockey. Sounds like this is mostly (entirely?) about football.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by pete99race View Post
    The article included this paragraph:

    Three MIAC sources said there is pressure being applied to Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus the other competitive football programs to support removing St. Thomas via threats that Augsburg, Hamline, St. Olaf and Carleton could drop out of MIAC football (as Macalester did years ago). This would leave five football schools in the MIAC without a full schedule to play.
    From that it sounds like Ausburg, Hamline, St. Olaf and Carleton are driving this, or at least support it. Bethel, Concordia and GAC are at the very least uncommitted, possibly against.

    If St. John's is in fact on the side of St. Thomas, and they can get Bethel, Concordia and GAC to vote with them that would be enough to sink this.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by KnightsOfTheRound View Post
    I wonder if its possible they would throw St. Thomas out as a full member, but the Tommies stick around for hockey. Sounds like this is mostly (entirely?) about football.
    I have every reason to believe this is definitely ENTIRELY about football; specifically about a football coach - if we're being honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrbFlint View Post
    I have every reason to believe this is definitely ENTIRELY about football; specifically about a football coach - if we're being honest.
    Seems as though there would be other remedies for the situation as described, but it's hard to judge people's logic and agendas. To blow up a conference because of one team in one sport seems like an odd way to do business. Why not drop football as a conference sport. Then you could have a core of teams that would found a football only conference that would exclude STT? No idea if that is possible or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    Seems as though there would be other remedies for the situation as described, but it's hard to judge people's logic and agendas. To blow up a conference because of one team in one sport seems like an odd way to do business. Why not drop football as a conference sport. Then you could have a core of teams that would found a football only conference that would exclude STT? No idea if that is possible or not.
    That's essentially the threat Augsburg, St. Olaf, Hamline and Carleton are making to Bethel, Concordia and GAC: join us in dropping the Tommies or we drop football and there won't be enough teams for there to be a full MIAC schedule.

    Whether all four will walk the walk if this fails remains to be seen.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Looking around this seems to be where pundits/writers/personalities have the votes:

    Keep St. Thomas:
    St. Benedict
    St. John's
    St. Thomas

    Kick St. Thomas:
    Augsburg
    Carleton
    Hamline
    Macalester
    St. Catherine
    St. Mary's
    St. Olaf (implied ringleader)

    Swing votes:
    Bethel
    Concordia
    GAC

    If this layout is accurate, either side needs two of the three swing votes to get their way. One of the writers I'm reading says he thought Concordia would be team Keep but was told don't be so sure when he asked around.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Update: No decision made today at meeting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BKrosky View Post
    I'm honestly surprised those WIAC schools you've mentioned haven't added a hockey school or aren't required to start one up by a certain year. WIAC dominates in a ton of other sports, recruiting pool is crazy.
    A complete random aside but, Im not positive any of those schools have anything resembling a decent rink in town. Maybe La Crosse.

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