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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    That is the case throughout most conferences. Especially D1.
    Yeah, and I think itís less of an issue in our sport. But in D3 football where you have a school with 6300 undergrads playing a school with 900 (St Maryís) maybe moreso? USTís annual budget for the football team is $1.1 million. I wonder what St. Maryís entire athletics department is?

    Obviously SNC did OK in the old NCHA playing schools with 3 and 4x their undergrad enrollment.

    I think if UST ends up in the WIAC, a few years down the line they wonít miss the MIAC at all, as long as they continue to schedule St. Johnís in a NC game every season. If UST wants to win a football national championship, the WIAC is the conference they want to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    That is the case throughout most conferences. Especially D1.
    Correct. Just look at the SUNYAC. (I don't know what year these numbers come from, but it's close enough for comparisons sake.)

    Largest: Buffalo State (14,204)
    Smallest: Potsdam (4,592)

    I did not count Morrisville, because they are not a full member. However, ironically they do have a football team with an enrollment of just 3,710.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    Is there any other way to read this other than they're too good - they have to go? Enrollment size wouldn't seem to affect athletic teams, as those athletes are specifically recruited to come to the college, not recruited from the existing enrollment. Right? I suppose the 98-0 was a horrible thing to do and St. Thomas (specifically the football coach) can take his share of the blame for this), but doesn't this reflect more negatively on the other MIAC members than it does St. Thomas?
    I guess one of the arguments, defenses I've read is that the rest of the MIAC doesn't put as much of a focus on athletics as St Thomas does and thats the reason why they want them gone...they're more "academic" institutions. Which is a pretty weak argument when you look at like NESCACs or something along those lines. And then if that is the case and you don't care if your sports teams are good...then why have them, and why kick a team out for having good teams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gojackets View Post
    I guess one of the arguments, defenses I've read is that the rest of the MIAC doesn't put as much of a focus on athletics as St Thomas does and thats the reason why they want them gone...their more "academic" institutions. Which is a pretty weak argument when you look at like NESCACs or something along those lines. And then if that is the case and you don't care if your sports teams are good...then why have them, and why kick a team out for having good teams?
    Stop looking at this logically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    That is the case throughout most conferences. Especially D1.
    In the WIAC Eau Claire is just over 10,000 students, Superior is about 2200. Whitewater, no hockey...is 11,700, LaCrosse-10,000

    Most are in the 8-10,000 range with Superior being way lower. Granted Superior left the WIAC in all sports except Hockey, I believe.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    So I guess the MIAC had their doubts about St. Thomas??

    (ducks for cover from the flying casserole dishes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    So I guess the MIAC had their doubts about St. Thomas??

    (ducks for cover from the glying casserole dishes)
    No doubt

    This is just silly. So it appears that the MIAC is committed to mediocrity in athletics, and if you get too good you have to go to another conference. The next school to dominate the conference in any sport had better watch their back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    No doubt

    This is just silly. So it appears that the MIAC is committed to mediocrity in athletics, and if you get too good you have to go to another conference. The next school to dominate the conference in any sport had better watch their back.
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    Holy Smokes, just saw Augsburgís history of success in menís wrestling! 13 National Championships and 31 MIAC crowns. Are they next on the MIACís choppiní block?

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    The Hunger Games: mediocrity edition

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Just a thought -- many moons ago the NESCAC gave the boot to Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Just a thought -- many moons ago the NESCAC gave the boot to Union.
    Come on, Joe. You know why that was. It had nothing to do with performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Come on, Joe. You know why that was. It had nothing to do with performance.
    They went off campus to recruit hockey players and the rest of the conference saw Red. We played them in 76/77, were all set to play them in 77/78 when the admin pulled the plug on the program.

    It took them a (long) while, but they seem to have figured out how to make a D1 program work at a D3 school.

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    A little late to this (don't come around as much in the summer), but The Athletic had a good article on this a few weeks back. Good discussion in the comments as well.

    "The School That Won Too Much: Why St. Thomas Was 'Involuntarily Removed' From the MIAC"

    https://theathletic.com/992528/2019/...ed-conference/

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    The Summit League has invited St. Thomas to join, an email I received from the UST president says. The email goes on to say UST is applying to the NCAA for a waiver so they can go DI directly from DIII. No word on hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrain View Post
    The Summit League has invited St. Thomas to join, an email I received from the UST president says. The email goes on to say UST is applying to the NCAA for a waiver so they can go DI directly from DIII. No word on hockey.
    3 Summit League schools have men's D1 programs playing in the NCHC (Denver, Omaha, NoDak). If St. Thomas joined as a 9th team it would be an uneven number of teams but not an overly large conference. UMD and St. Cloud also play in the NCHC so there's a geographical match as well.

    The women would be an 8th WCHA team and all but 2 of the current members are in Minnesota.

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    I wonder if the "WCHA 7" got wind of this when they were writing their letter? UST would be a perfect 8th school to their new conference, maybe the "Great Lakes Hockey Conference"?

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    I can't find if there's precedence for waiving the reclassification rules. Does anyone know if the NCAA has allowed DIII straight to DI in recent history?

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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    Quote Originally Posted by thebrain View Post
    The Summit League has invited St. Thomas to join, an email I received from the UST president says. The email goes on to say UST is applying to the NCAA for a waiver so they can go DI directly from DIII. No word on hockey.
    ESPN.com has an article on this as well.
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    Re: MIAC to vote to oust St Thomas

    I hope the NCAA grants them a waiver. The ouster was a bush league move.

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