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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Not only the French people, but Christianity as a whole. Especially during the atonement period of Holy Week.
    All people. That cathedral means more to this old atheist than to most Christians and even most Catholics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    All people. That cathedral means more to this old atheist than to most Christians and even most Catholics.
    Based on new construction, I shudder to see what may replace Her. I don't think they'll be able to do a 100% restoration, but please don't make the new cathedral look like a Marriott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    No, you were right. There was significant damage and they did have to do a huge restoration.
    Ah sorry, I read that as not significant.

    I saw the cologne cathedral in 2002 and it all looked like one big old historic place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Didn’t cologne have to rebuild the catherdral after the war?
    So did Munich. AFAIK, Bamberg is original, and has the only Papal grave in Germany. It's plausible Clement II was poisoned to death by a rival based on the lead content of his bones. Dude only lasted about 9 months!
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    From BBC: The Notre Dame spire was actually itself a restoration, dating from "only" 1856. The restorer flanked it with statues of the apostles and represented himself as Doubting Thomas. He stood with his back to Paris because he hated the architectural style being used for new buildings in his time.
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    Re: Notre Dame Cathedral is burning down...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    All people. That cathedral means more to this old atheist than to most Christians and even most Catholics.
    Really?

    I mean, there's a lot of history and art there, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    So did Munich. AFAIK, Bamberg is original, and has the only Papal grave in Germany. It's plausible Clement II was poisoned to death by a rival based on the lead content of his bones. Dude only lasted about 9 months!
    Munich is interesting. It looks like it's halfway between Romanesque and Gothic:



    It sounds like Allied bombing gutted the interior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Really?

    I mean, there's a lot of history and art there, but...
    Really. It's a very important building to me and to many people who value high culture.

    At the end of the day, humans have done, like, twelve things that have ennobled the species. Going to the moon is the big one. Greek philosophy is one of them. And Gothic cathedrals are one of them.

    Chartres is the queen, but Notre Dame is a very important one as well, not to mention the rest of its historical significance. This is like losing the Colosseum and St. Peter's in one shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Really. It's a very important building to me and to many people who value high culture.

    At the end of the day, humans have done, like, twelve things that have ennobled the species. Going to the moon is the big one. Greek philosophy is one of them. And Gothic cathedrals are one of them.

    Chartres is the queen, but Notre Dame is a very important one as well, not to mention the rest of its historical significance. This is like losing the Colosseum and St. Peter's in one shot.
    You know most of the famous/old cathedrals were built on the backs of slave labor, right? #DevilsAdvocate
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    You know most of the famous/old cathedrals were built on the backs of slave labor, right? #DevilsAdvocate
    F-ck yes!



    But actually, no. I mean insofar as there is any "free labor" in a Feudal economy, the cathedrals were typically the product of immense, hysterical civic boosterism. There are lots of well-documented accounts about people willingly giving up their time, money, and labor to build them. All you had to do was hint that it was more of a Shelbyville idea and you were on your way. Aristocratic ladies dragging heavy stones to the masons, that kind of thing. An explosion of ecstatic faith like the early crusades. And when Marxist historians dug into it in the early 20th C to debunk it their conclusion was, "huh, whaddy know? It looks like it was actually true!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    All people. That cathedral means more to this old atheist than to most Christians and even most Catholics.
    I remember going to the Vatican on a high school trip. Yes the religious importance of the building is obvious, but to me it was seeing this place that had been standing for centuries. I brought my grandmother home a rosary made out of crushed rose petals by nuns in the Vatican. My mother was horrified. "We're not Catholic!" I didn't buy it for religious symbolism, I bought it because it was a lovely piece of jewelry that my grandmother would enjoy.

    Similarly with this, there was a writer on the news talking about the carvings that adorned the cathedral. He said that whenever he walked past and looked at the artwork he could envision the craftsmen who sculpted and chiseled 800 years ago. All that history lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Really. It's a very important building to me and to many people who value high culture.

    At the end of the day, humans have done, like, twelve things that have ennobled the species. Going to the moon is the big one. Greek philosophy is one of them. And Gothic cathedrals are one of them.

    Chartres is the queen, but Notre Dame is a very important one as well, not to mention the rest of its historical significance. This is like losing the Colosseum and St. Peter's in one shot.
    I agree with Kep. It's one of the older pieces of history still alive today. Gorgeous building (from what I've seen in pics, never had the pleasure of seeing it in person). It is something to behold.
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    Thatís just it. Itís a cultural center of France also, not just a church

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    Someone check to see where Judge Claude Frollo is! Surely he is responsible for starting this fire, given that he's the original incel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Thatís just it. Itís a cultural center of France also, not just a church
    The cathedral's age is almost incomprehensible to us. When Henry IV said "Paris vaut une messe," Notre Dame was already 410 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The cathedral's age is almost incomprehensible to us. When Henry IV said "Paris vaut une messe," Notre Dame was already 410 years old.
    I've seen old churches....you know, 100~ some years old...then you think of something like Notre Dame...as you say, it's incomprehensible.....thinking back to those times when it was built, heck when it even still existed through all the turmoil...amazing. Makes this tragedy cut that much deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    I agree with Kep. It's one of the older pieces of history still alive today. Gorgeous building (from what I've seen in pics, never had the pleasure of seeing it in person). It is something to behold.
    It's also visible from a fairly large part of central Paris because it is not just on an island but right on the edge of it. You can see the bell towers from a really long section of the Seine.

    It's a huge landmark in humanist culture, as it is right up against the Latin Quarter -- saying something is "gauche" comes from the fact of the student ghetto being on the right bank of the Seine relative to the cathedral. All the little book stalls and bars throughout the quarter are (1) militant atheist, and (2) will beat you like a Belgian if you say one word against the great lady of their city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The cathedral's age is almost incomprehensible to us. When Henry IV said "Paris vaut une messe," Notre Dame was already 410 years old.
    It predates any non-earthen structure in this hemisphere.... That's the mind boggling part....

    Edit: Well, in North/South America... I'm sure there is probably something in Western Britain that meets that mark...
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    Re: Notre Dame Cathedral is burning down...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    All people. That cathedral means more to this old atheist than to most Christians and even most Catholics.
    I don't know about "all", as I'm sure there are some that would feel otherwise. However, I'm happy to see there are others who admire Gothic architecture. I just wish we were a bit more creative in design these days, as those concrete box buildings are just plain sad, and some of the funky stuff out there really doesn't make much sense.

    Argh, looks like there's some... https://summit.news/2019/04/15/buzzf...tre-dame-fire/

    And another... https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...dral-in-paris/
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    Yeah, I'm sure there are some (read: Muslims) who are cheering on the fire.

    Once again, seriously, FVCK YOU Flag! You whined that you weren't welcome here, and you were absolutely right. So why are you still here?
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