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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    My grandparents came through Ellis Island, by the process, became citizens, in the early 20th century.

    But I'm to pick up the bill for these (admittedly terrible) things that happened before my family's arrival?
    Yes. You still benefit from it.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
      My grandparents came through Ellis Island, by the process, became citizens, in the early 20th century.

      But I'm to pick up the bill for these (admittedly terrible) things that happened before my family's arrival?
      You won’t pay it. The US government will
      a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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      • #18
        Re: Reparations

        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
        My grandparents came through Ellis Island, by the process, became citizens, in the early 20th century.

        But I'm to pick up the bill for these (admittedly terrible) things that happened before my family's arrival?
        That's not how reparations work. You are no more and no less "America" than the descendants of the slaves. The US harmed these people -- formally, officially, legally. Now the US can make good on it.

        You are saying the equivalent of "you can't sue a company for wrongdoing because that will affect workers at that company who didn't do anything and might even have been hired after the wrongdoing was finished."

        No. That's not how this works.
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        • #19
          Re: Reparations

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          That's not how reparations work. You are no more and no less "America" than the descendants of the slaves. The US harmed these people -- formally, officially, legally. Now the US can make good on it.

          You are saying the equivalent of "you can't sue a company for wrongdoing because that will affect workers at that company who didn't do anything and might even have been hired after the wrongdoing was finished."

          No. That's not how this works.
          So isn't the bulk of the "claim" then really against Britain and France? They're the mofo's who enslaved them and brought them here.
          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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          • #20
            Re: Reparations

            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            So isn't the bulk of the "claim" then really against Britain and France? They're the mofo's who enslaved them and brought them here.
            The US inherited (and honored) the states' liabilities at the Founding. These are unpaid state debts.

            If you want to bring suit against GB and FR be my guest. That's a different claim.
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            • #21
              Re: Reparations

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Now the US can make good on it.
              But the US is ... you (and SJ and me, et al).

              Please supply your credit card number so your monthly portion can be charged. Thank you.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                But the US is ... you (and SJ and me, et al).

                Please supply your credit card number so your monthly portion can be charged. Thank you.
                In fact Kepler can be like buffet and pay extra
                a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                • #23
                  Re: Reparations

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  The only current livin* slaves are Chinese sex workers blowing Krafty Bob
                  Tell that to Mauritania.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Reparations

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    The US inherited (and honored) the states' liabilities at the Founding. These are unpaid state debts.

                    If you want to bring suit against GB and FR be my guest. That's a different claim.
                    I guess I was unaware that the US government formally brought in slaves. Had been under the impression that it was individuals and companies.
                    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                      Tell that to Mauritania.
                      Is that a city in Minnesota??
                      a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Reparations

                        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                        Is that a city in Minnesota??
                        Western African nation, near the Atlantic, towards the north. While they've officially outlawed slavery at the national level, the government looks the other way. Slavery is common there.
                        "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                        "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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                        • #27
                          Re: Reparations

                          Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                          But the US is ... you (and SJ and me, et al).

                          Please supply your credit card number so your monthly portion can be charged. Thank you.
                          I did when I filed my taxes. So did you. That's how sh-t gets paid for.

                          Did you miss the part where even the descendants of slaves will pay? That's how countries work.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Reparations

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            Tell that to Mauritania.
                            The sister ship to the Lusitania?

                            < joke here about going down >
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                            • #29
                              Re: Reparations

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              I guess I was unaware that the US government formally brought in slaves. Had been under the impression that it was individuals and companies.
                              State and federal government supported slavery. Our military was used to support the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade the same way it's used today to prop up the profits of extraction industry corporations. With such things as the Fugitive Slave Law they criminalized opposition to slavery.

                              Slavery was a public institution, not just a private one.
                              Last edited by Kepler; 04-12-2019, 02:41 PM.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Reparations

                                So when do we make reparations to Japanese-Americans and German-Americans wrongfully by the USG detained during WWII?
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