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  • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    This one seems pretty cut-and-dried.

    How does Maryland have a Republican Governor though? Between Baltimore and the Beltway 'burbs, you'd think the Ds would have a lock on power in Annapolis.
    Follow an unpopular Dem governor who never met a tax or fee he didn't raise.

    Also, the legislature is overwhelmingly D. The legislature can override any veto so the effect of a GOP governor is minimized.

    If you want an insight into MD politics, check out the race & election for speaker of the MD house.
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      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Also also: a lot of MD Dem voters care more about their property values than civil rights.
      That makes sense. Too much of their retirements riding upon real estate. It's a common affliction of Boomers.

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      • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
        That makes sense. Too much of their retirements riding upon real estate. It's a common affliction of Boomers.
        MD taxes retirement, PA and NC don't
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          Cant see that holding up...
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            Originally posted by Handyman View Post



            Cant see that holding up...
            But it will be tied up in court past November 2020
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              Originally posted by bronconick View Post
              But it will be tied up in court past November 2020
              Correct-a-mundo, and that's the goal - one more round of voter suppression and election fraud by Republicans in Florida.

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                Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                But it will be tied up in court past November 2020
                Also see why Ds are hesitant on impeachment. Let the glitch solve itself. If it doesn't? Then proceedings begin.....
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                • Originally posted by Handyman View Post



                  Cant see that holding up...

                  Trying to decide if my shock at the 500k figure should be, "Florida has 500,000 felons?" or "Florida has only 500,000 felons?".

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                  • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                    Trying to decide if my shock at the 500k figure should be, "Florida has 500,000 felons?" or "Florida has only 500,000 felons?".
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                    • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                      Trying to decide if my shock at the 500k figure should be, "Florida has 500,000 felons?" or "Florida has only 500,000 felons?".
                      I believe they have four million. Presumably the 500k is either those likely to vote or those with outstanding fees.
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                        Originally posted by The Rube View Post
                        Also see why Ds are hesitant on impeachment. Let the glitch solve itself. If it doesn't? Then proceedings begin.....
                        Honestly, if trump is re-elected there is an almost zero chance impeachment would go through. And to be even more brutally honest, if he’s re-elected then the people have spoken.
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                          Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                          But it will be tied up in court past November 2020
                          Which is the whole point.
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                            Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                            I believe they have four million. Presumably the 500k is either those likely to vote or those with outstanding fees.
                            Perhaps the law says only the black ones have to pay? That would at least be more honest of the GOP.

                            The rich are fine and the poor can't vote. How can any court in this country -- even a GOP joke one; even this SCOTUS -- not decide that that is unconstitutional? Does anybody have standing to put a stay on it until a court decision?
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                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Perhaps the law says only the black ones have to pay? That would at least be more honest of the GOP.

                                The rich are fine and the poor can't vote. How can any court in this country -- even a GOP joke one; even this SCOTUS -- not decide that that is unconstitutional? Does anybody have standing to put a stay on it until a court decision?
                                It actually might be an interesting legal question.

                                The actual text of the amendment, with the relevant part underlined, reads as follows:

                                No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.

                                I guess the question will be what is included in "all terms of their sentence."

                                It certainly seems like a fine, especially in lieu of jail time, would be included. On the other hand, "restitution" certainly seems to be more like some sort of civil remedy payable to the victims of the crime.
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